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Agreed!
Tigers I basically agree with what you did and didn't like. I liked the multiple Jacks...except for the chicken and the goat too. I liked the part in the pugatory where he sees everyone again. I liked th epart in Shipwreck Cove. And I actually liked the multiple Jacks in the FD brig but I definitely agree with ALL the things you disliked. And I felt kinda awkward about the king kong version of Tia Dalma
Basically...I can't say AWE wasn't a GREAT movie but it wasn't a great movie for ME.
Now that I look back except for too much WE, lots of plot holes, the ending and turning Jack's character back to square one I didn't have much of a problem with it but that in and of itself is enough isn't it?
Lets just say COTBP is for everyone.
DMC is for JE shippers.
AWE is for WE shippers.
Lets just pretend AWE didn't happen. Lets pretend everything ended with DMC and that Lizzie realized after killing Jack that she loved him and decided to fetch him back for the world's end.
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^^^I'm with you Tee......lets just pretend AWE never happened...I could live with that "Gone With The Wind" ending......if it ended with DMC i would have been satisfied...we could have all imagined our own version of what happened...that she goes to World's End...tells him she is sorry, that she acted on a selfish impulse and that he was right..they are very much alike...they sail back from World's end...and Will accepts that things change......
And reading over your post......
Tee Wrote:
[ Basically...I can't say AWE wasn't a GREAT movie but it wasn't a great movie for ME.
Now that I look back except for too much WE, lots of plot holes, the ending and turning Jack's character back to square one I didn't have much of a problem with it but that in and of itself is enough isn't it? ]
LOL...that's pretty much the entire movie in a nutshell..so taking that into consideration, the movie wasn't great at all....for ME....so take out the W/E, the plot holes, the ending and Jack going back to square one...all that's left is Barbossa, Gibbs, Marty, Cotton, Cotton's Parrot and Jack the Monkey......and a bunch of battle scenes....oh, but wait, that was a plot hole too.....and Barbossa was a plot hole..and even Jack the Monkey....because...now, when they came back from World's end, we never once saw the skeleton Monkey...so did that mean that the Monkey was no longer immortal since he had been to World's End and back??
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HAHAHAHA!!My point exactly.
AWE just wasn't for my tastebuds...now maybe if someone wanted to watch it just to see some swashbuckling and battles and a few funny lines and really didn't care about the movie like we do, didn't care about the plot holes or the coupling than they would probably find it great.
Maybe that's why it made so much money but we all know it would make more money if it was JE...that's not even a matter of taste...it's a fact
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^^^^oh I agree...if it ended the way we have discussed recently on the Sparrabeth thread...I truly think AWE would have topped Titanic as the top money making movie of all time....especially if they would have resolved the many plot holes...and if Tia Dahlma would have had more substance then turning into a helpless woman who couldn't break out of a brig and then turns into a Jolly Giant that is made up of millions of crabs.......
when i look back on all the interviews and spoilers we had before going into this movie..it's all one big joke.....sad, so sad....it's only and I mean only saving grace is the pure and simple fact that Johnny Depp play Captain Jack Sparrow.....
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This isn't really a plothole, but it's something I have a problem with. Liz gets ready to go to the beach to spawn with Will and everyone says goodbye to her. In a way, it's sweet, but it's really awkward and weird. Here you have all these guy pirates and the girl pirate they have worked with and fought with and most likely love in some way and off she goes to have sex for the first time and they all know that's what she's about to do.
Gibbs: Your chariot, milady.
Whow, Gibbs is never creepy and I love him to death, but there he sounds like a giggling schoolgirl who might, just might, get to watch what Liz is about to do.
Barbossa: Mrs. Turner
Is this supposed to be a callback to the first film when he thought her name was Turner? Liz and Barbossa's relationship was probably the one that changed the most. He went from respecting her as a worthy adversary, to plain hating her, to mentoring her and being the guy that married her off. And that's it? Mrs. Turner? It's just so weak.
Pintel and Ragetti: Goodbye, Poppet.
This is the only one that's okay. It's kind of cute and I like it. But they still know what she's going off to go do.
Then you have Jack, and even if you're one of the few that thinks there is nothing romantic between him and Liz anymore, his perverted mind knows EXACTLY what's going to happen and has no trouble imagining it and yet he has to tell her goodbye. It's freaky and a cheesefest. Even without kidnapping her and whisking her away, it's too much for all these pirates to elbow each other and go "wink wink nudge nudge."
Why not have Liz meet Will on a ship and go sail to a beach together? Why not have Will come aboard and pick her up? It's just a creepy, awkward sendoff for her, like she's about to join the Non-Virgin Club.
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You know come to think of it Willo...you are so right...it's very creepy....thus the kind of sad, melancholy way Jack is standing there leaning against the railing of the Pearl as she approaches......he knows what's gonna happen, they all do...they are no dummies..so, yeah,it's very creepy...I've missed you Willo and your logical way of thinking things through....
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And yes, I was refering to Jack the Monkey in AWE...but I'm sure Surreal knows since she spent her lives' savings to see AWE........I've only seen it once..but I just don't recall seeing skeletal Jack the Monkey after they return from World's End.....
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I only spent one lifetime's worth of savings to see AWE. Now that I've got money again I spent it on Harry Potter and Order of the Phoenix (and despite the many plot changes they made to it, I love it! Go see it!! ).
We do see Jack the Monkey as a skeleton, briefly. He gets shot out of a canon and assists Will on the Flying Dutchman. "Thank you, Jack", remember?
Poor Jack the monkey...the curse will never be broken for him.
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Kate, luv, these are for you, but I was looking around the internet and found these other funny and interesting plot holes that have been uncovered in AWE.....
And these are straight from TastyPirates...The Plot Hole Thread.....
1) Here is one!! I don't know if anyone has thought about this one, but I was watching the W/E island 'love fest' scene the other day on youtube. (Yes I know, How could I? It made me really sick) But I caught something..Can anyone please tell me how the hell did Will got to the Flying Dutchman WITHOUT a longboat? Oh yes I forgot, he is fishboy after all.
2) I've got a nice question. How exactly did Will manage to spend 10 minutes under water in Sao Feng's bathhouse? Rehersal before the CotFD thing?
3) Well, we've established in COTBP that Will is Aquaman.
During the fight with the Black Pearl, when Will gets stuck below decks, he is struggling to find an escape under the water when they light the powder magazine. And yet, by the time the Interceptor finally blows up, Will has managed to escape and swim the half mile distance to the Pearl.
4) What about Jack's magic powers? No one has mentioned his superhuman ability to dry off in seconds after a good drenching? I guess that's a talent that comes in handy when you're hanging with Aquaman.
5) Asked this in another thread:What about the small bottle Jack took in Tia's hut in DMC? Since they focused on him taking it and putting it in his pocket, I thought it had to mean something. Guess I was wrong. It has been bugging me ever since along with the Jar of Dirt, though I like it and find it strangly funny.
Another thing: The coin the kid who gets hung has, what does it mean? It's not part of the Po8. Beckett has similar coins on his desk. What are their purpose?
6) This one was posted by Mina: This was probably mentioned already, but, I have to get it out of my system.
OK, we have Elizabeth and Will having their little talk about trust. He says "how can I trust you?" She goes: "You CAN'T."
Um, she shoved him away. Uh, the scene with Sao, she pushed Will.
OK, you get my idea. So, it's funny on how they don't trust each other then they have their little wedding...in the rain...in the middle of a battle...
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Most of those aren't plot holes. Will is Destiny Boy, so that pretty much clears up Will's amazing abilities to survive. Sort of like how Jack manages to survive falling how many hundreds of feet to the earth? Even with bridges breaking his fall, his spine would probably have been crushed, nevermind him being able to get up and run away.
That's just Hollywood. Any W/E 'plot hole' has been explained. It's not a plot hole so much as people don't like it so they don't want to accept any explanation.
But if we are naming plot devicey situations or plot holes...where did Liz learn to shoot a rifle? Where'd that boat come from in CotBP that she tied sheets together to climb down? How come Will and Bootstrap don't, in fact, look anything remotely like each other?
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