Actually any idiot could play a whiney emo and get a good peformance out of it. He also is pretty awful in Shattered Glass and doesn't convince for a second.
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It doesn't take a thicko like you to know that Lucas' material isn't a coin out to defend Hayden's sh!tty acting. Mark Hamill gave a great peformance in the OT when Lucas didn't have the greatest script in the world.
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Apparently a thicko like you needs to go back and watch the DVD features where you can plainly see Lucas telling Hayden what to do, down to the way he turns his head in a certain shot.
Anakin is the way he is on screen because of Lucas, not because of Hayden.
And I like Anakin just fine actually, I think he just wasn't who you dreamed him up to be.
Hayden is a pretty good actor. Watch Life as A House, or Factory Girl.
leonardo decaprio should have been anakin. GL should not have directed the PT. if one of these was so, the films would be better. if both were so, it would have been awesome. nothing against hayden, i think he's got a great future ahead of him and believe we'll see him do great things in cinema. but alas he was still too wet behind the ears to deal with lucas' crappy directing. same goes for portman. IMHO
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You know, I think it really does come down to the character of Anakin though.
Hayden really did just play him as told.
I think many people, including myself, had a different idea of how Jedi Anakin would act and behave.
I remember Queeq's thread about how the "good friend" and hero that Obi-wan mentions doesn't quite show up in the films.
And I would say that he does, but it's differently than we thought he would.
We thought he'd be the ultimate Uber Jedi who goes evil.
See, the problem is... if Anakin is very heroic, and the ulimate Jedi, than the question becomes, then how did he fall to the dark side? Anakin can't be perfect, because then he wouldn't fall. Take for example Obiwan, A Jedi's Jedi. There's no chance in hell he's going to turn.
So Anakin's got to have problems and issues for him to legitmately fall to the dark side. Now, I'm all for Anakin as a former slave, power hungery guy that has an inferiority complex. But his characterization in AotC was quite a turn off. He was an arrogant, immmature inarticulate jerk basically. He rushed Dooku and paid for it, he ends up losing his limb.
But that's the turning point. He realizes he isn't half as good as he thinks he is, so during the war he goes to work, trains hard, serves the Jedi and the galaxy well. He and Obiwan become galactic heroes that the Republic counts on everyday. During the events of RotS, he's characterized as extremly heroic and the Jedi's greatest warrior.
But he isn't the Jedi's greatest Jedi. Being distant from Padme as the fear is eating away at him. So he goes to the dark side for her. But by the time they speak on Mustafar, the dark side has consumed him. Darth Vader has always been in his heart, we see. He desires power because he never had any when he was little, he's got a complex because he couldn't save his mother as a Jedi.
Personally, I found his characterization to be perfect in RotS. No doubt, Anakin Skywalker was a hero in the clone wars. He had issues due to his childhood and he couldn't handle the commitments of the Jedi Order.
i explained many times why he would have been better.
a great actor takes initiative to create depth to there character when their is none, and will protest and even defy idiocy on the part of a director when they know they're just churning out crap.
hayden and portman were like fish out of water given the environment (or lack of), cookie cutter dialogue and bluescreen washout, where as the more seasoned actors were able to rise above the mediocrity.
i dont think its about talent, but more about experience and wisdom, and a bit of cockiness to run with their characters instead of allowing GL to program every nuance of their expression scene by scene, and line by line.
a great director allows this process to unfold, rather than rule with an iron fist and demand that they perform exactly as per their 'vision'. thats just arrogance and demanding of the impossible.
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Unless the director knows what he is doing. But I do agree with you, directing actors isn't George's strongest point. But maybe that's he he doesn't bring in the great stars.
And SS, I think your analysis makes sense. A second point I was making with the 'good friend' thread is that Anakin was never the hero we could cheer for. I found that a major problem. With Luke: we could cheer with him as he blew up the death star, then we suffered with him when he lost to Vader (but we were still cheering for him despite his poor choice in leaving Yoda) and then we still loved him as the mature JEdi.
With Anakin: he was a smart a$$ kid, then annoying little bra and when he became interesting in ROTS I think I don't care so much for him anymore...
oh but werent you paying attention? the heroic anakin we were supposed to be cheering existed between eps 1 and 2, and between 2 and 3. sure we didnt actually get to see him but he was written into the story. oh and what about when he rescued obiwan from that pit of gundarks? so many examples of cheer-worthy heroism. oh but unappreciative and overdemanding fans like you actually want to SEE it with your own two eyes. tsk tsk.
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Aug 2nd, 2007 02:08 PM
am i right?
