I honestly don't know where people come up with this .
Kung-fu is a mixed soft / hard style. Aikido is soft styled. So far agreed for the most part.
You came up with this fact from where exactly? Sound to me like you just made it up off the top of your head.
A real martial arts expert doesn't think in terms of combos. Combos are a video game term. Just because you land a hit, doesn't mean they are automatically open to a combo in real life. If you'd watched even a few hours of MMA fighting you would know this. You can't just hit someone once and combo them until KO. If you really studied martial arts... you know... "for real", instead of just playing video games, you would know this.
So it looks like your years of martial arts study are *cough* bulls**t *cough*.
This is pure comedy. Keep going.
If Cap or Batman were involved in a fight with a class 50, then logically speaking they would have very little chance of doing direct damage, their best bet would be to dodge attacks and get the hell out of there. Of course DC's "batkick" is godly in power and can affect abstracts, but that's DC for ya. In real life, a class 50 would rip Batman to shreds and he would have died a long time ago.
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In comics, skill mean alot. Captain America Playing with Namor. Gamora Making Thanos Bleed. Batman is well, Batman. Karate Kid ****ing pwning a Superman villian. So I dont' see Why WOnder Woman, a class like 60 million, can't pwn someone who may be Slightly stronger than her. Makes no sense at all. Especially given her magical weapons and superior speed FEATS.
I dont give a shit about popular opinion. I still posted when 90 percent of the vs comic forum wanted me out of here. Above all dont let anyone else tell you how to think. Oh and chew gum.
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Even still, you can't always post your opinion. That isn't reasoning either. Like My first mind says Superman beats Thor. But Reasoning makes me think twice about that opinion.
Huh, the bottom line is you shouldnt sway your opinion becuz the forum thinks you are incorrect. If the forum lays out good reasons why then do it but simply dont do it becuz you are in the minority.
Its true that Kung-fu in general is mixed. But there are many forms of kung-fu. And most of them are soft styles or have a soft style philosophy. The philosophy of many of today kung-fu styles is to be like water (the softest thing but the hardest to hold).
Made this up off the top of my head? You're straight tripping dude.
You average punch/kick travels at least three times the distance of a block or parry move. Thus the block or parry must be at least 1/3 the speed as the punch/kick. This is common sense.
A real martial arts experts thinks almost solely in terms of combos and counter attack. What are you smoking? Many (if not most) techniques learned in a martial arts class is a combo. Have you ever taken any martial arts classes?
Combos work better (quicker too) in real life than in any video game. Many (including you) think that a combo is just a mere string of hits (or combination of hits). This is not what a combo is. A combo is a string of hits such that the first hit stuns (jarrs) the opponent and each successive hit is strong enough to jarr (or keep jarred) the opponent and are applied before the stunning (jarring) effect of the previous hit wears off . This is a strict definition. So if someone recovers during a string of hits then the string of hits wasn't a combo(by definition). For either one of the hits wasn't strong enough or wasn't applied quick enough.
Now I've seen many one hit kos and many multiple hit combo kos (mostly in boxing). And again, combos are what martial arts are all about. Otherwise you wouldn't see them in video games (for video games get the idea from martial arts). If you would actually take a class then you would see that almost every technique you learn is a combo.
So your implication of that combos don't exist in real life is preposterous. Or in your words *cough* bulls**t.
I disagree. Just because you are class 50 doesn't mean that a human can't hurt you. Where do you get this logic from? Hell, a little girl can hurt me if she kicked me in the chin. For all we know a class 50 can have many spots (pressure points) on there body that if a human, who is capable of breaking solid thick stone, applied some vicious strikes to them then they can be koed. And this is not considering chi power which has some tremendous possibilities.
I had seen this post before yours and thought about responding but didn't. But yes, as one of my instructors says a lot of people think he's incredibly fast but he really isn't much faster than the average person. He's just in a good defensible position. You don't have to be nearly as fast to block or dodge as to strike and since our style is highly defensive, being faster than lightning, so to speak, isn't a requirement.
Even in my style of Aikido which is not considered a striking style, if I were to break it down, most moves come down to block or avoid/ atemi (a punch meant primarily to distract your opponent from your next move) and then whatever joint lock or throw you will do along with being ready to give that up and change up to something else if that move isn't working.
After getting into martial arts for several years, I had the misfortune to see a Jean Claude Van Damme movie, "Bloodsport". I had seen it long ago but rewatching it after having some martial arts experience of my own made me wince. In the movie, all he does is attack with one move and just stops. In the style I was in before Aikdo, feints (faking your opponent out) were part of combos but, even in that style, we were told, "Feint to hit." In other words, the feint is done to get your opponent to move his defense away from another place you intend to strike BUT strike to hit anyway even with the feint. You might end up hitting twice.
As you said, where would boxing be without combos? The very essence of a good fighting style is to keep moving and striking. Don't just strike once and stop- unless you want to get your ass kicked.
As I mentioned, it varies a bit by style. In my style, I'd reword it to say that every part of the combo serves to put your opponent into more and more of a compromising position until you've got him locked and pinned helplessly.
People who don't have any self-defense skills think in terms of making one move and usually a move that is highly telegraphed and unrealistic to what the situation is.
Yes, if a little baby hits you in the Adam's Apple, its gonna hurt. If a person of half your strength has the skill to do a perfect joint lock on you and is smart enough to do one that causes strength to mean nothing, you are scrooged.
Let's say Wonder Woman only has, let's say, 55% of the strength Black Adam has. This would be roughly the strength of the average man to the average woman or a really strong man to a really strong woman. If she is highly skilled in fighting and he isn't and she has the mentality and attitude (meaning she doesn't tense up in combat and have her skills go flying out the window), she can beat him handily.
Now BA is said to have been a great warrior. True its mostly him that says that. But let's say its true but he's not quite on her level since she's the greatest warrior of a race of warriors. Let's say further that this is no holding back. They will both do whatever it takes to win, maiming or killing not a problem. She's a little more skilled and a little faster. He's got a good strength advantage. I'll admit that its really much closer to 50-50 than I had previously considered. For myself I'll say Adam 6 out of 10 only because I don't believe their skill and speed difference is enough to make up completely for his power advantage. But that's ignoring her magic devices. Add those in and I'll switch to either 5-5 if he has feats that show he heals almost instantly or 6-4 in her favor if fast healing is not in his list of powers.
The problem is that BA has enough of a strength advantage that Wonderwoman will not be able to get the hand to hand edge that she needs to effectively counter.
Black Adam whom In Aftermath...the Four Horsemen indicated was superior to Superman, would be landing blows and strikes she wouldnt be capable of countering. Meaning Wonderwoman although she could block, would not be able to effectively stop the force behind them.
She would be getting knocking back huge distances with each of BA's Strikes...depending on the strength he put into them. This would eventually wear her down IMO....especially when BA's endurance>>>Hers.
Whats the point of blocking when each strike is so forceful that you are pushed away from your opponent by huge degrees? it takes away any effective chance of a counterstrike or even a good offensive position.
These are the kinds of blows Superman level tiers give to each other when they are pissed off.
Hit......goes flying........hits building, wall etc. even if blocked. Too much force involved.
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What it really comes down to then is whether or not a person has to 'block hard' or if they can redirect rather than meeting the force headon or even pivot and block. It all comes down I suppose to whether one thinks the thing of flying miles is just showy plot induced stuff or whether those levels of strength preclude most real fighting techniques.
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The posters here crack me up sometimes. 
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You're straight tripping dude.
But let's say its true but he's not quite on her level since she's the greatest warrior of a race of warriors. Let's say further that this is no holding back. They will both do whatever it takes to win, maiming or killing not a problem. She's a little more skilled and a little faster. He's got a good strength advantage. I'll admit that its really much closer to 50-50 than I had previously considered. For myself I'll say Adam 6 out of 10 only because I don't believe their skill and speed difference is enough to make up completely for his power advantage. But that's ignoring her magic devices. Add those in and I'll switch to either 5-5 if he has feats that show he heals almost instantly or 6-4 in her favor if fast healing is not in his list of powers.
