Its simply because of the relationship sion and traya have together and with the exile. With Nihilus and the Exile you get the feeling that Nihilus is like the opposite of the exile (a bad wound in the force sort of speak) While Sion seemed to be jealous of the exile's relationship with kriea aswell as he sort of fancied her if i remember correctly. And Traya's relationship is well known.
I do have a question for you though that I just thought of in the last days while watching videos of kotor 2 and nihilus. We know he speaks some sort of weird language but how is that it seems the he is understood by the other characters like sion,visas, and even the exile when she is in the stasis. That always bothered me cause it like diminished part of the of the mystique of speaking an unknown language if you could call it that.
He would kill Traya and sion we just get pwned for enternity cause nihilus doesn't seem to be the persuasive type who could talk sion into death hell could probably feed of sion for eternity if he wanted to.
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Some people think it may be the original Sith language due to it's similarity to Sith holocrons, and the reason people understand him is because he can telepathically communicate with people ia also a theory.
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I would also like to think it is the sith language i do like the fact that by not having subtitles it adds to the mystery but at the same time i would like to know what his reactions to certain things is like his cutscene vs sion says.
I told you...we don't know if he was or not, you say that im wrong because i admit there is no evidence...but your trying to tell me that because there's no evidence nilihus was an avg. or worse duelist. no one knows that.
If there is no evidence than we no choice but to consider him average or just above average at best. You can go and post something about his saber's skill in a verse thread and it will just be shot down. If there is no evidence of his saber skills or any information of other duels than you have to consider him just average or above average at most. I would put most other major sith of the kotor era except maybe traya above him in the saber department. if you would like continue to discuss than make a vs. thread of nihilus vs someone who is a known to be a talented saber duelist but not wtfpwn him in 2 seconds like luke and sidious.(like maul, for example) and watch how nihilus would lose.
we don't know if he would lose...the only reason he lost his death match was because he was weak at the time and outnumbered...and if there is no evidence than there is no evidence that he could be better, he could be avg. but they don't know,
he was a sith so your telling me that if he wasn't a sith you would consider him below avg. but that is the only evidence is that he was the dark lord...and if that was the only evidence i would not jump to the conclusion he was avg.
he could have been above avg. easily...dooku died, maul died, anikin died, hell the greatests swordsmans in all the sith were killed in duels where they thrived.
Once again im fully aware of the circumstances around his defeat.
No if he wasnt a sith id still consider to be like force demi god. but he is still not on par with the other great sith in terms of dueling like Kun,dooku,sidious,vader,bane,kaism,revan,ulic,andm
aul for instance are all above nihilus in a lightsaber duel. And the only one out of that list that we know can defeat him in an all out battle for sure is Sidious.
except they have been in more duels, and have quotes and other canon information of their saber skill which is something that Nihilus is lacking.
either way neither of us can win this cus we can't prove our points...all we can do is prove that each others points are non provable.
i do not know but i think it is unlikely that he was avg. he may have been worse than all those ones you named but he should not be considered average just because he is argubley the greatest force user ever.
i don't know how we got to argue about this...this thread is about who's our favorite, not about Nilihus's sword skill.
Maybe i should try another way of wording this with you. When compared to those sith i mentioned he is considered to be just average but if you would compare him to someone like kaan he would most likely kill him in a sabers only duels. The reason he could be so many of the ones i mentioned is because he could kill them with the force before they get in close or he could hold them off just long enough in saber combat to possibly get in an uber force killer tech. on them. But his chances of winning in a an all out fight with them once he locks blades with them is considerably less.
And btw Sidious, and Luke are definitely greater force users than nihilus.
Cause you said he was adiquit in saber combat and me and violent were curious where you heard that so we asked and you said wookieepedia and i said that wookieepedia isnt credible enough unless it has something to back up what someone wrote.
1. Nilihus was way better than Luke in the force...that is not even a worthy claim...luke had a average midiclohian count and he was not a force server like nilihus, niliuhus even consumed whole planets.
2. sideos compared to Nilhus would be a arguement. I will name the the only people i consider to rival Niluhus in the force- Vader, sideos, yoda, plaguis...that's it. luke was not any better than any ohter normal jedi knight but he was a good swordsman and had potential that's why he was important. there.
first of all plaguis is an even more of unknown than nihilus is so it is absolutely retarded to say he is some type of force master. Sidious is more powerful than nihilus in EVERY WAY Vader is not even in most people top 5 of the most powerful sith and there are others who are better force users than him.
I give you a list of noteworthy things that luke has done with the force and even the biggest nihilus supporters know.
Even wookieepedia has a decent list of luke's accomplishments http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_skywalker#Talents
First of all Luke is the most powerful person in star wars period. To say he wasnt better than a normal jedi knight is an obssured statement you could really use to look into luke's profile.
show me the proof that Luke's midichlorian count is average which is far from. Luke has the same potential as his father could have and became more powerful than vader ever was.
He defeated DE Sidious who is the most powerful sith lord ever (who is more powerful in all ways than his rots incarnation) He was able to use emerald lightning against the vong who are noted to have no connection to the force sort of like being a wound. In the recent book inferno Luke was able to immobilize his nephew Jacen Solo who is at this time a sith lord with consider power and who would later injure luke in a vicious lightsaber duel.
He was able to manipulate a black hole in the vong war. He took out AT-ATs with the force. I could go on for a while and i wouldn't even consider myself a luke skywalker expert.
If you really think that nihilus could be luke at his best than i suggest you make a thread in the vs. section and see what you will learn of luke.
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1. sidious said that plagius knew everything about the force in ROTS and also said that he could create life.
2. i have been to a speciallty site with the whole starwars histroy and midiclorians and luke's are way lower than Anikin's. actually, darth vader was very strong in the force too. i think you are just being bised... and sideous are higher too...and like we all know Nilihus is not mentioned on the list because he wasn't a major character and little is known about him. plagius is slitly lower but not enough to make a real differnce.
3. luke's is higher than most as he is a main character but it is not real that much higher than a normal jedi when you see the list.
Supershadow is FRAUDULENTsite ran by a mann who has no connection to Lucas.We already have a big SS suproter in the form of jedikatarn who has been warned for that type of crap. If you would like to know how he is a fake then go to the to the giggletime happy thread . And Sidious does have a big history of lieing. THERE IS A PARAGRAPHS WORTH OF IMFORMATION ABOUT PLAGUEIS AND U CONSIDER TO HIM TO BE A FORCE GOD!! No logic behind.
and for your own good its better that you stay away from supershadow because we don't take anything he says seriously and you could be bashed like jedikatarn1 for believing him so fair warning. and he can make all the claims he wants about who he is. The guy makes many contradictions on his own site.
alright, i can see how it could be fake but i have no idea if there is any other site that shows anything unless you know of any true ones made by lucus industrys.
either way, Lucus did make ROTS so what sideous said must have some truth to it.
It could have truth is more accurate to say. We are talking about the guy who was able to manipulate the entire galaxy into making himself emperor and while doing that right under the jedi's noses. And if it were all true the only statement is that he can stop the ones he loved from dieing. That sounds more like sith alchemy not some type of offensive force maneuver. When there is a such a lack information it is very poor to make someone like plaugeis rank up with the elite force users like luke and sidious.
And its pretty well known here that supershadow.com is fake, only a few ignorant people (you all know whom im talking about) believe in his lies. The only true or official site would be all the ones related to sw.com and lucas online. And to get a better idea of the eu you should read some books, use wookieepedia for general eu info. (this would show you how luke becomes the top dog in star wars)
well, i don't belive that it is necessarily true because fans sometimes make there own sites so they can say what they want about who's better. but just like you don't belive that darth plagius was a great force user...i don't belive luke was either...the only person i guess we do agree was one of the best was sideius.
now i don't understand how you would not think plagius was great when it says that stuff in the movie and on his site and on wikipedia and probly lucus made that little legend too if it is that widely known.
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