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chickenlover98
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and hell doesnt make sense. eternal torment doesnt fit stealing. if i stole a twinkie and got condemned to hell well then it isnt me who deserves to suffer for eternity its gods turn


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quiero mota. your honest and straight to the point.


I know. smokin' Diga me, guey!

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i like that someone who is of spanish decent, doesnt believe in god.


I do believe in God.

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i dont think being gay is biased against hell. i am an atheist and btw this is just my stance on homosexuality im rly not trying to bash at all sorry if it comes off that way, but i just think two men is nasty. thats all.

if you wanna be gay go ahead. i dont think eternal torment is really a smart option for either a personnal chance or how you were born. most gays claim that they were born that way, if tyhats so it must be by your rules gods will. otherwise it must be a birthdefect which i just dont believe since you dont believe in natural selection. therefore it must be the will of god(by your rules) that gays are born.

therefore if gays are wrong in gods eyes he must love torturing people.

hope i wasnt to contreversial but o well.


I don't think God hates gays, since he made them that way. According to mainstream science, homosexuality exists as a population control, which is genius (assuming there's a Designer) because six billion is enough.


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funny way of showing it. you love disproving the god believers. but thats coo. you believe in god, yet you also believe in science? interesting. we need more people like that. and yes i am a fan.


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funny way of showing it. you love disproving the god believers. but thats coo. you believe in god, yet you also believe in science? interesting. we need more people like that. and yes i am a fan.


A fan of what?

I'm an opponent of Biblical Literalism, and people who trash other religions with out knowing anything about them.


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fan of you and what you stand for. you didnt answer my question though do you believe in science? even to a small extent, can science coexist with god in your beliefs?


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fan of you and what you stand for. you didnt answer my question though do you believe in science? even to a small extent, can science coexist with god in your beliefs?


Yes and yes. Even religious people can't deny that things fall down and that a human and baboon's hand are very similar.


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see i wish more people were like you. reasonable. but whenever i start sayin shit like that in real life no one listens to reason! have you ever talked to one of your classmates about why the bible is wrong and they just constantly argue over the same point you've already gotten a response too. some people are so blind in their faith and never see either the problems or the plus's about believing.


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see i wish more people were like you. reasonable. but whenever i start sayin shit like that in real life no one listens to reason! have you ever talked to one of your classmates about why the bible is wrong and they just constantly argue over the same point you've already gotten a response too. some people are so blind in their faith and never see either the problems or the plus's about believing.


Classmates? laughing out loud I haven't seen any of them in over 20 years and they're all either dead or in prison.

And yeah, I've had a lot of those arguments.


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lol. well im only 15. i dunno i like debating politics and religion. its my thing.


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Re: Re: Why I Reject Hell

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Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Like so many Christians today, you ignore the other characteristics of God and instead focus on "God is love." Do you know what else God is?

God is justice and righteousness; God is the punisher of sin.

Let us say that a judge has a child who is being charged with murder. This child is clearly guilty, and the judge is allowed to sentence whatever he wishes. He can let the child out free, or he can sentence the child.

Which is the just thing to do?

Is it fair to give preferential treatment to the child because s/he is kin of the judge? Is it just? Is it right?

Absolutely not! Laws are there to be upheld--and those who do not uphold them deserve to be punished.

God has set forth the Law, that blood must be shed in order to atone for any sin. For the unsaved, that blood is the second death. For the saved, that blood is the blood of Christ.

God follows His rules, and those rules are that atonement must be made. God, in His infinite love and mercy, gave us a way to be released from our sin: in the past, it was through the bloodshed of sacrifices, but now, it is through the sacrifice of Christ.

Humans are biased. Our minds are clouded by emotion, be it rage, sorrow, or love; we cannot make decisions of great magnitude while under the influence of powerful emotion without regretting some aspect of it--after an incident, one might regret telling someone off, or one might regret not telling someone off, for instance.

Only God can see perfect justice.

I believe that, in heaven, we will be able to fully understand the awesome justice of God. Perhaps this will mean that we too will see that the person deserved to go to hell, and we can celebrate God's justice while rejoicing in His mercy.

Perhaps God will allow us to know but take the sting of sorrow from us. Perhaps we will no longer concern ourselves with such things but instead focus on heavenly things alone.

I don't know. Little clear description of heaven and hell are given in the Bible. We only know that heaven is a good place with weird creatures and God, and we only know that hell is hot, dark, and parched.


i'm of the state of mind that punishment just for the sake of itself is evil. what i mean is, if he simply destroys their souls because they are iredeemable, im fine with that. if emphasis is placed on unnecessary suffering, however, just for the hell of it (pardon the pun), wouldnt that be evil?


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I don't think God hates gays, since he made them that way. According to mainstream science, homosexuality exists as a population control, which is genius (assuming there's a Designer) because six billion is enough.



I always thought homosexuality may serve nature in terms of helping to keep the population down, but even if that isn't the case, I still beleive you are either born that way, or you have a genetic predisposition to become Gay.


Although a lot of "straight" people have experimented, or thought about homosexual fantasies with pleasure, most straight people I have spoken to said they could never "turn" gay, that nothing will ever make that change.

I believe them. So to me, it only makes sense that you are either naturally homosexual/bisexual, or you aren't. I don't think choice has anything to do with it.


I also beleive in God, but obviously not the Biblical God.


My beleif is a bit more complicated, if you wish to know, I'll explain in another post.


I don't think me being Gay determines my religion. I always knew I was gay/bi since I was in elementary school, and I didn't stop being Christian until I was 19.


If Homosexuality were truly the reason, I would have denounced my Christianity at age 13, not age 19.


What truly turned me away from Christianity was the Bible itself. While I was in Catholic school, I was always being preached "God is Love" etc. But when I actually began to read the Bible myself, I realized it was nothing like I imagined or was taught it to be.

The amount of hypocrisy, sexism, and violence is what made me realize the Bible is just a book. No more valid than the Quran, Lotus Sutra, Vedas Books, or what not.


I still read it, because certain psalms and parables I liked were in it, but over time, I began to turn away.


At age 19, when I learned what Christians throughout history have done in the name of Christ, I was disgusted. I disassociated myself, because I could no longer associate myself with such a hypocritical and historically violent culture.

On top of that, I already was no longer convinced in the existance of a Biblical God. So why remain Christian if I no longer beleive ?


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How does fire destroy an invisible soul? confused

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you shouldnt. why believe in a god without forgiveness. but if your gay(this might not apply to you seeing as i dont know you) why do you flaunt it?


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you shouldnt. why believe in a god without forgiveness. but if your gay(this might not apply to you seeing as i dont know you) why do you flaunt it?



I don't in real life. Yeah, I'm a ****, but in real life I don't go telling everyone, only my freinds.


On KMC, I like to make myself laugh. So when I'm bored, or in a humorous mood, I act extremely homo to the max, because it cracks me the **** up.


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On KMC, I like to make myself laugh. So when I'm bored, or in a humorous mood, I act extremely homo to the max, because it cracks me the **** up.


Because you're embarrased to do so in real life?


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It's only a belief that you believe you know, believe me because I understand the meaning of beliefs in believers.

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Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Because you're embarrased to do so in real life?



Embarrassed to do what ?


I walk around practically shirtless all summer, and meet tons of guys at clubs. I don't care.


However, I'm not going to walk around screaming "I'm A RAGING HOMO", so that I can get my ass kicked by a bunch of black guys. LOL



Here on KMC, I can say whatever and it's fine. People might get stupid about it, but who cares ? I make myself laugh hysterically with that stupid flamboyent character, so what do I care if you don't like it ?


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It's only a belief that you believe you know, believe me because I understand the meaning of beliefs in believers.



Belief is believed by the believers who believe thier believed belief believably by beleiving in beleiving in beleif !


BELEIVE ME !!!!! BE A BELIEVER !!! BELEIVE !!!!!


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Embarrassed to do what ?


I walk around practically shirtless all summer, and meet tons of guys at clubs. I don't care.


However, I'm not going to walk around screaming "I'm A RAGING HOMO", so that I can get my ass kicked by a bunch of black guys. LOL



Here on KMC, I can say whatever and it's fine. People might get stupid about it, but who cares ? I make myself laugh hysterically with that stupid flamboyent character, so what do I care if you don't like it ?


least your honest and personnally i think its the correct way of doing things. but why do some gays make a HUGE deal that they are gay and make sure to let everyone know?

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I make myself laugh hysterically with that stupid flamboyent character


Nothing wrong with that I guess. Unless of course it derails a serious conversation.


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