its not embarrissing that he's gay its odd. i personally dislike them, not because it goes against god but because its wierd. i dunno what you call it, but im toa small extent afraid of them. least i can admit it. and if someone did yell im a raging homo id run. JK
**** hell. if satan exists well then he gets off hurtin ppl. to him it is heaven. so if he likes that he can follow the south park example and get boned by saddam hussein.
Lucifer is supposed to have been the most beautiful angel. God's favorite, until his pride caused him major loss.
In Dawn, Lucifer's Halo- a graphic novel- Lucifer and God were lovers. Lucifer fell out of God's favor when he denied human beings as his equals. God wanted the angels to serve man, because of their great potential, but Lucifer was too jealous to have God give his attention elsewhere.
God sent Lucifer to Hell, and wanted the Halo back. Dawn, the Earth Goddess, was asked as a favor by God to walk into Hell ,and take Lucifer's Halo away.
Lucifer whined, bitched, and cryed, then gave Dawn his Halo. Dawn, instead of giving it to God, gave it to Death (in a human incarnation).
Lucifer's Hell is his Heartbreak. He is completely obsessed with God, and he's so messed up that he doesn't even love himself. HE think he is worthless without God.,
That is his Hell, and he wants others to suffer with him, because he CANNOT stand to suffer alone.
It's a very interesting take on the mythology of Christianity. Not to mention added some Wicca into it.
Hell is the place where the unsaved go. When we're born, we're all headed to hell because of sin. Even those who obeyed God before Christ could not enter into heaven because, although they atoned with blood sacrifice, their sacrifices were as imperfect as they were (thus they waited around in Abraham's Bosom until Jesus got back).
Because God is just, God will deny anyone access to the kingdom if he has sinned even once--which means that we're all screwed. God does this because no one, not even the most faithful servants of God, deserves to be in His perfect and holy presence. So, even the most devout are headed to hell even though God loves them and they have lived a God-fearing life.
In order to keep us from having to be sent to hell, God sent the perfect sacrifice of Christ to atone for all sins. Now, one could argue that God could just change (read: lower) his standards, but that would be a pretty poor example for a judge to set.
Oh, and Urizen: Shut the f*ck up. I answered your goddamn questions, but you just threw yourself because I didn't puss out and give you some namby-pamby answer.
What happened is this: You read about my description of God, and you got pissed because I spoke like one of the so-called "Fundies" that you abbhor. You then became irrational and ignored how I explained that hell, being a separation from God (something I know I have explained in the past, along with the idea that there are "degrees" of hell), is the punishment for not being saved--a separation from the glory of God and His righteousness.
With your rebuttal, you state that you're not interested in Christ, the crucifixion, etc. By ignoring these things, you set up a straw man argument that is easy for you to refute--Christ's sacrifice is so intertwined with heaven and hell that, to ignore it, is the undermine the entire concept of God being all-loving.
You claim that I'm irrational, but I explained to you--logically--how an omnibenevolent God can exist alongside of hell. You, in your own emotional state of irrationality, starting pissing, moaning, and calling me irrational.
Then you attack me for allegedly being selfish and egocentric. I didn't say I didn't love my mother; I said I might not care when finally able to understand God by being in His presence.
Quite frankly, I don't care that you would hate to have me as a son. I would hate to have some sl*t like you, someone who has acted as a whore--a literal whore--in the past as part of my lineage. Do you think I would like someone who has done pornography as my father? Do you think I would like someone who is so unrestrained with his sexuality as my father?
Shut the f*ck up.
You didn't like what I wrote because it wasn't some debbiejo/Shakyamunison post about how we can't possibly understand the nature of God because God is so enormous, that we humans are so trivial that God doesn't care about our actions, and so you got pissed.
__________________ Ask me about my "obvious and unpleasant agenda of hatred."
C. "perfect" only exists in imperfection thus... A and B
D. God is a narcissist and only wants the people obsessed with him as much as he is around him.
Pick yer favorite! I like D.
Hell can't exist or free choice is non existent... and without free choice that makes life a meaningless endeavor... and in fact makes Heaven a meaningless utopia... but believe whatever you want in the end it won't really matter... we all die.
__________________ It is impossible to overlook the extent to which civilization is built upon a renunciation of instinct.
-Sigmund Freud
Whos there, Zeal. It takes two to tango, I know, and SoD started with the personal comment about not wanting you as a son, but at least that was linked to an assumption in his argument, an 'if you think like this, then I would think this..." kind of thing, though it could have been better expressed that way.
What you did in return is mount a personal attack on him based on his personal life, none of which was in any way relevant to the argument. That is simply unjustified flaming. Please don't do that again.
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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"
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