1. And it still makes no difference even if he can(which he can't), Itachi is strong, but he can't solo the whole team, most of his teamates are already dead.
2. That's an exception, and are you implying that a 1/10 power Kisame will be able to even do this?
3. Longer weapon, by like 3-5 feet, yes. Faster, hell yes. Hidan is slow(compared to rest of Akatsuki), why can't you accept that? If Whitey stabbed him, Hidan could not get his scythe to reach Whitey. Also, If Hidan has his arm lobbed off, he can't wield the scythe, and Kakuzu will be too busy getting murked to do anything.
4. Ganju has a spear? Didn't know that. Also, Ganju clearly is not a normal human, he can manipulate sand to a degree, and he has phenomenal stamina. So, are you saying normal humans can also block a strike 30 foot monster trying to eat you? Ichigo after first becoming a Shinigami's power was about the equivelant of a nameless Shinigami most of the time(as stated by Ulquiorra his power fluctuates). Byakuya does not have sand dude, and that Fruity guy is only a 5th seat, it's not like he's anywhere near the dudes in this fight in power. Needles are much smaller than 300 3-4 foot swords which Byakuya completely controls, and I can't remember that part of the fight, someone post a scan.
5.Kenny didn't cut him once, he stabbed him, both times.
6. PIS, CIS, it's the same damn thing. Point is he could have easily beat Ichigo even with his sword powerup thing, but didn't because then the series would end.
7. Iruka is also a Chunin. They can move far very quickly, true, but Bleach is on a whole other level.
Oh, and Kenny is a better swordsman than Kisame.
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Keep in mind that is against Byakuya who as it's already been shown moves and reacts and speeds hundreds of times faster than the average human. The fastest any human can run is about 10.23 m/sec based on the world record 100 in the hundred meter dash and that's without any stopping slowing down etc. Byakuya shows he can move. So if we use the earlier math on how he was going 666.7 m/sec. in the human world in his limited form. He would have a reaction time at least 65.17 times that of the ordinary individual. if we take the fact that he was in soul society and 5 times faster then he would have a reaction time at least 325.855 times faster than the average human. that means he could react within .0015344seconds, and ichigo was able to easily overcome that in bankai. Note that in just about all of these measurements I'm being very very conservative.
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that would put him at around 20 m/s. for comparison the speed of sound is 330m/s and an average bullet goes 800 m/s. theres sumthin wrong here, that speed is TOO low.
In the human world Byakuya is going about 666.7m/s. In soul society at normal speed he's going about 3333.5m/s. At the end of the fight with Ichigo he's moving at minimum 6667m/s and Ichigo's till beating him at speed, and shwoing himself to be at minimum about twice as fast as Byakuya, which would place him somewhere around 13334m/s. Once he hits vaizard form Ichigo's at minimum doubles, which places the current top bleach speed at around: 26668m/s
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No one in the entire Narutoverse, is strong enough to even deal with the Spirit Pressure coming off of Zaraki with his eye-patch ON!. Much less dealing with any of the captains.
Naruto-verse is at best merely strong enough to deal with the Lieutenant level Shinigami.
the last 2 is disproven bias.currently naruto characters are far surpassing bleach characters in all aspects. perhaps near the end of bleach, the characters will regain their above narto place but currently theyd lose BADLY.
dont draw conclusions based on assumptions. i already did, comparing chakra vs reitsu and both affects in super human prowess and destructive power/illusionary/mystical affect by providing feats. you were not quoting feats there, just making over generalised statements about power level.
really, for a guy who questions my credibility as a poster, you ought to work a little more on providing evidence and analysing the argument. bleash characters AS THEY STAND wont last 2 minutes against naruto characters.
plus the argument is based in negetive evidence. a classical logical fallacy. the burden of evidence is on you to prove{which u havent} not me to disprove. your statement holds no value if it hasnt already been established{and the OPPOSITE has been established already}
I have been disproving you and Warmongerer since this started. I can't provide evidence on sumthin nonspecific, you want me to just provide evidence on why Bleach>Naruto? Okay, Kenny with his massive Reitsu cut a builtding in half casually, took Ichigo's Zanpakuto head on, Shunsui or whatever his name is instantly went miles in one leap, Aizen blocked the punch of a VERY large Hollow with one hand, then disintigrated him with a Kido that he didn't even say the incantation to, Byakuya's Bankai has hundreds of 3-4 foot blades flying around him that he controls completely, and STILL couldn't hit Bankai Ichigo. I could go on, but I'll wait for your pathetic case to crush it. And no I can't provide scans as I don't know how.
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But he's given you legitimate feats that happened in the Bleach cannon. (not that filler crap). And you're the one saying that Bleach characters don't stand a chance as they are now. Without giving feats. So, really,the burden of proof is on you to explain WHY. Because,again, some of the stuff they do in Bleach TEAR up whatever they do in Naruto. I've seen both series, and Bleach has upper tier characters in strength and speed. No matter how adamantly you deny it, that's just how it is.
When just about everyone else in the thread agrees, don't you think there's SOME reason why?
or perhaps you simply are not paying attention to any of the points being made and avoid a reply which undermines your argument.
exactly so why make statements about it and try to use them as evidence to suggest that bleach>naruto?
naruto cut a giant ciff face which stretched towards both horizons, utterly while trying out the unharnessed power of his wind element for the first time, diadara created a blast which{minus thedestructive area around it} was as large as a village and that was just his smallest c-3 explosion. you cant substantiate he went the distance you claim and cant substantiate that it was infact in a measureable timeframe. on the other hand zabuza/lee/sasuke etc have much better speed feats than that. look at the aizen vs itachi thread. and those are pre shippuden feats. the akatsuki have taken chakra attacks from MUCH larger and MUCH more powerful bijuu without breakin a sweat. and defeated and trapped them with reletive ease. yondaime kazekage had many times more/larger and more powerful iron sand blands tipped with poison which need not even do damage to kill you and sakura avoided all while being surrounded by a mesh of them. and lets not forget, naruto can create THOUSANDS of clone with his weaker jutsus and that can more than counyter anything the full brunt of byakuya's bankai can dish out.
just a word of advice, stop personally attacking people with phrases like pathetic and whatnt which are unwarranted as i didnt attack you. plus it does nuthing good for your dredibility to use offence for no reaosn. if you cant provide scans than go look at the page in question. youll see that mu argument about being unable to compare speeds still holds. there is no reference point in the manga to compare such things. akuki found one with the whole faster than the blink of an eye[which we DO have a time frame for] thing but the argument was undermined by going from one assumption to another.
same thing again. replying to posts that have nuthing to do with you or your previous posts. its becoming a norm with you.
he didnt give legitemate feats. statements like
have no feats or evidence. and obviously your not familiar with logical analysis so dont even try. the brunt of such arguments stand on since X is true because i assume it is{giving no evidence for its validity}, then based on X, Y shud also be true. and X is true{without having any evidence for it} until it is DISPROVEN.
the quoted statment is an assumption and it is upto the POSTER to give evidence to substantiate it and not ME to disprove it when it hasnt been proven or hinted at outside the posters personal oppinions{not based in evidence} to begin with.
naruto characters currently have higher feats. the reason 3 or 4{which really is the entire number of active people on bleach threads} people choose to defend bleach is because they think its cooler than naruto and the word SHINIGAMI inspires some kind of fanboy attraction which makes people think they are super powerful. plus the fact that aizen is more traditionally badass than naruto characters. they forget that badass does not equal power.
agains its a similar thing you find with alucard fanboys. who just based on his BADASS attitude, believe he is one of the strongest manga characters and would beat the likes of surfer and thor whne he isnt even on class 70 strength level.
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