Are you nuts? Look at the Romans, in 50 B.C. they had the technological edge over everyone else and kept it for centuries. It's the reason they conquered and controlled most of Europe and parts of Northern Africa. Their sword, came from Spain, their strict battle formations were adapted from the Greeks. Some nation got out of line, didn't feel like paying tribute to Rome, the Legions went in and killed.
That was 14-17th century, by then Europeans had the technological edge over others, maybe on in every field, but enough... it's the reason why they conquered, or do you think it was just luck?
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So? The "if it weren't for" game can be played very, very far back. Your point is void as it does not relate to the point at hand. You bring up the bad stuff Europe has done, so the good stuff is important, how they were able to do the good stuff is totally unimportant. That's not help, that's capitalistic exchange...though, I am sure it is taken advantage of in one way or another.
What you mean to tell me you didnt know that the Islamic world was more advanced than Europe??????? I dont see what the Romans have to do with anything. The reason why the Romans conquered people is because they were more ruthless and organised. Hell Ceaser didnt conquer Gaul because of tech.
The whole bloody reason why people go on about the Romans ie because they bloody re-wrote history.
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In some aspects yes, but when it comes down to it, why didn't they conquer and keep control if they were "more advanced"? Sure, there were relatively shorts periods they did, like the Moors in Spain, but those weren't long lived.
Well, the Romans were Europeans, right? Yes, they were ruthless and they were organized, they also had the tech, which they borrowed and improved from many others in some some cases, as noted.
So, if the "Islamic world was more advanced", why didn't they conquer, it's not like they didn't want to, they had a religious call (Jihad) to do so, that is to conquer and spread Islam.
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You replied to my stuff with a ridiculous and illogical conclusion.
I am not. I acknowledge that there is "bad" stuff. I am adding to the conversation that there could be "good" stuff too. And I am explaining my opinion that even though there are "bad" things, it's not my responsibility to do anything about it.
In some....algebra, algorithims, soap etc etc etc there are loads I just cant remember them all. Surgical instruments that people still use today based on islamic design etc etc...no sorry the influence was huge.
Why do you keep using the ability to conquer other people as a mark of civilization?
My point is that one of the reasons why you think the Romans are so advanced isnt because they actually were but because they destoryed everybody else and that wasnt because they were advanced.
They were not organized.
Yes but if they have done bad stuff people need to be held accountable for it. Do you get let off murder because you give to charity, you are ebing illogical.
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Ancient Greece was really ****ing advanced (and many say one of the reasons why the Arabs were so advanced and why the Reneissance in Europe only started so late (the Philosophers being disregarded by the church except for Plato)) ... and...they were Europeans.
Yeah, but do you punishe the family, the friends, the neighbours, etc of a murderer?
You are in no position to claim that anyone is being illogical.
Yeah so Egypt was adavnced as well. For the most part Northern Europeans were not that advanced as the Romans and Greeks but even then I think thats fabrication.
Regardless of wether the Arabs got some stuff from the Greeks that still doesnt change the fact that the muslims expaned on it....and o Africa was part of the Islamic world as well you know.
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