Isn't he just a filler charcter? The only other person every mentioned in the manga is the name of Suigetsu's brother. I highly doubt in a serious battle Kakashi would need a sharingan for Sakura, and Naruto. He's a lot more skilled, faster, and while not as powerful as Naruto he's better at everything else. Neither Lee nor Neji are more powerful than Kakashi. The sharingan may be a tool...but it's one that neither Lee nor Neji have. And the reason he beat Zabuza is because of it. Not because he was so much stronger or anything but because of the power of the sharingan. Lee fought a Kisame clone that wasn't even near the power of the real
Kakashi isnt more powerful than Naruto?Maybe in the new episodes he isnt but during the Zabuza fight up until the 3 year time skip he is. His strength is listed at 7 and naruto is 4. Naruto has more chakra not power.
they dont have to be better than kakashi what they are is better than zabuza both kisame and raiga said zabuza was weak all you have to about zabuza is that the mist will win the fight for him and the byakugan can see through the mist. and fro lee all the mist would do is slow down his reaction time a little but what is that when your already fast as shit because i live near the beach and i can see when its misty outside
I guess Neji wouldnt have to worry that Zabuza Taijutsu is better than his ( 9 out of 10 ) and that Zabuza is faster than him or that Zabuza is stronge than him or the fact Zabuza is better at ninjutsu or that Zabuza has better stamina. Maybe in the new episodes Neji might has surpass Zabuza but at the point in time Zabuza was alive he wasnt better.
Sorry to post 3 things back to back but i was watching the uncut japanese version of Naruto to get some more points. If you want to talk about speed then check this out. I am sure most of you will agree that the Lightning Blade is one of the fastest physical attacks in the show. You all remember when Naruto was about to kill Haku and Kakashi was about to hit Zabuza with the Lightning Blade. Kakashi was already moving when Haku sense this and grabbed Naruto's arm did his one handed hand signs created a ice mirror to teleport himself. He also created one infront of Zabuza threw 6 senbons at Kakashi's scroll and then grab Kakashis arm before it hit Zabuza. He did this all in a instant which means he is far faster than Rock Lee and way way way beyond speeds Neji could dream of having. Haku could kill them both with a needle before they could even blink.
Chakra = power. The more chakra the more powerful the person. Kakashi is just better at using the chakra and more skilled in everything else also.
So if Chakra is power then Zabuza is more powerful than Kakashi then? Well his strength is listed higher and he has more chakra. Kisame has more chakra than any other Akatsuki member so does that mean is is the most powerful?
He doesn't do that in the manga. He gets to Zabuza before Kakashi does when Kakashi is closer but that's about all he does.
I never seen that manga of this so I will take your word for it but the point is the lightning blade is fast attack and he was still able to jump infront of it showing his speed.
Kisame was never said to have the most chakra in the Akatsuki just have a lot of chakra. And more skill usually beats more power in the Narutoverse, and a Kekkai Genkai beats both skill and power.
Also Haku I believe teleported, and I don't really think it's useable to fight with since it's not really speed.
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You might have read a bad translation. Pein says that Kisame has the most chakra in the Akatsuki when he and Itachi volunteer to go deal with Kakashi and crew, and Gai and crew.
And chakra control has more to do with how powerful you are than the actual amount of chakra.
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Well sometimes I guess but Sakura has great chakra control but she's not exactly considered powerful while Naruto is and has bad chakra control. Though I guess Naruto is a bad person to use as an example. I also think Shikamaru may have bad chakra control. That or just very low chakra.
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Well... in order for chakra control to mater you need to actually have some jutsu; Sakura doesn't seem to know any. lol
I imagine that Shikamaru has great chakra control. He is a genius and the story hints that he taught himself elemental re-composition (or what ever it is called) in just a few days from reading library books after Asuma's death.
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Well she does know the replacement jutsu, and pretty well along with medical ninjutsu which she is skilled at because of her chakra control but I guess she isn't a fighter anyway really lol. So maybe she's a bad example also.
Well maybe now after the whole time skip but before. I mean he was lazy and never trained. One would think he'd have to train to have good chakra control. After the time skip he's still lazy but after the whole thing he said when Neji and Chouji had almost died you would think he has started to actually train.
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The problem is that all of Shika's jutsu's we've seen so far are his shadow manipulation abilities - which seem to use up a lot of chakra. He is really more of a support ninja for a big gun like with some powerful melee abilities.
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Well the shadow can kill somebody. Shika's father has proven that. Shika just didn't have the chakra to do it to Tayuya because he used all of it. And does it ever say it uses a lot of chakra? I keep always thinking he runs out of chakra so quick because he has low chakra and bad chakra control. That and he spams it just to get somebody where he wants.
I'd like to see a Temari/Shikamaru team up fight. They would make a great team.
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I don't think it uses up a lot of chakra, but keep in mind that every time he has used it, he'd either already used it a bunch of times in a previous battle, or he was already exhausted. He managed to beat Temari with it, but when he tried to use it on those sand-nin he was already tired from spamming it against Temari. When he fought Tayuya he was already tired because he had been chasing the Sound four for days straight with no rest, and he had been caught in Jirobou's chakra absorbing doton jutsu, and remember it was sapping all of there chakra at an incredible rate.
imo that is why it's amazing that team Shikamaru managed to do so well against the sound four even though half of them ultimately lost. All of them were fighting at half strength. They were all low on chakra except for Naruto with his infinite chakra, and Rock Lee had just gotten out of an operation and was still weak, and was also fighting with his weights on.
The fact that any of them managed to hang with the Sound four was, in itself, a miracle.
Didn't the pills Chouji gave them restore their chakra? Also didn't the Sound 4 have to rest up after using the cursed seal 2 and were resting to regain their strength when they were found by Team Shikamaru? And he could have beaten the sand-nin if the hidden one hadn't been well hidden. Though I guess that's actually a good feat since he gave up against Temari because he said he didn't have enough chakra to pull of the win right before.
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Did Chouji give pills to all of them or just himself? I can't remember.
I dunno if going CS2 zaps that much of your strength, but when you use it again it amps your chakra anyway.
Shikamaru knew that he wouldn't be able to beat them, he even admitted it. He was just stalling for time and hoping ti take out maybe one of them so that they couldn't catch up to Naruto and co. But if he had ore chakra he could have at least held them off longer.
I don't think he didn't have enough chakra to beat Temari, I think he just didn't have a way to take her out aside from hitting her, which is against his morals. There's no proof of that though.
Hmm I'll have to look that up tomorrow when I get up and before I go to work. I know in the anime Chouji hands him some pills that I think make them regain their chakra cause I remember Shikamaru saying it's a gift from Chouji.
I don't know they were resting for some reason and I remember it being because they used the cursed seal but I may be wrong.
Well Shika would have killed them if that one hadn't been hidden. Sure he was actually counting on the guy to block the shuriken so he'd know where he was but he could have killed them if it wasn't for that last guy. As for Temari, didn't Shika say he had a lot of ways to beat her? I think it was more he just got tired of the match and gave up than anything. I mean he had enough chakra left to dispell the genjutsu, and keep those guys for long enough. Which makes me wonder...why did Asuma follow Shika when the Hokage is being attacked, and what happened to Kurenai?
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Kisame was never said to have the most chakra in the Akatsuki just have a lot of chakra. And more skill usually beats more power in the Narutoverse, and a Kekkai Genkai beats both skill and power.
I don't believe the 4th Hokage had a Kekkai Genkai and look at how powerful he was. Having a Kekkai Genkai is nice but only to a certain extent. Not looking in a persons eyes who has Sharingan negates their power. Putting up heavy mist like Zabuza did pretty much negates their abilities. I dont see why more ninja havent figure that out yet.
Have great physical strength, great chakra control,speed and stamina makes you a great ninja in the Naruto world unless you are Sasuke and Naruto and then being popular characters make you unstoppable.
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