you must have reading problems. i already stated that the firebombings were not tactical, and the nukes werent tactical at all, ive explained the tactical options which america didnt take. no need to discuss this further.
And your points were wrong, yet again. Granted in an 'let's just do the illogical because the world is what I say it is" kind of scenario, you'd be correct. You'll always have that.
Hey, in the end Japan came out ahead of the Evil American Empire. That should make you happy.
My many post to you in this thread have. Rehasing again will just spawn another one of these between us that go on and on, were your illogical (sometimes idealistic) points are destroyed, yet you continue. Like in the suicide thread, gun etc. I've no desire to do that again, as it will ultimately lead to bickering and you making wild claims about yourself and your eProwess in many fields.
BTW, if the Japanese Empire and "American Empire" were/are both shit, how exactly did you come to the conclusion that "AE" is the bigger criminal, p.o.s., scum etc here? Just because of the bombings?
no they havent and your inability to reply on topic proves this time and time again.
bombings are part of it, and its actions since then are testament. but i was using "*****" more as a term of power as opposed to a term signifying shit density per capita.
Hahaahaa, no, we've then entire other page where we went back and forth. Nice try to marginalize me though, good tactic of the defeated, once the page has turned.
You said the "American Empire" was the bigger piece of shit as compared with Japan in WW2, I'm asking you for specifics(besides the bombs, unless that all you have) then, not now. I'm curious to your thoughts here, as I find it strange and have a feeling it's more due to your anti-American bias, than logic.
i think i said the bigger{i.e. bigger in power/imfulence and size} *****, but whatever. as for it being an EMPIRE, i guess gore vidal, noam chomsky, normal finkelstein, alexander cockburn and christopher hitchens{among MANY others} are all illlogical and anti american biased too, since they have also referred to it as an empire on more than a few occasions. as for ww2, ive already explained, it commited selfich inexcusable acts of an empire threatened. that by default makes it shitty. it was worse than japan in the specific case because of the death toll it was responsible for in comparison to japan.
So....winning a war against a nation that sought to congqur your nation makes you an evil empire? Does not compute. Your logic is so horrible it's rediculous.
So, you're saying we should have just rolled over so we wouldn't end up killing more Japanese lives than American's lost?
Are you forgetting that they wanted to conquer America? Why are you forgetting that?
"sought to conquer" is an ideology. we can not punish people for thought crimes. ACTUALLY "conquering" wud be another thing, and pearl harbour is a far cry from an actual invasion {unlike IRAQ for instance, and by your logic, saddam wud have been in the right to nuke america for it}. your blinder than a bat and calling other people's reasoning horrible, lol.
im saying, "AMERICA" is a wrong cause to fight for to begin with. and every bit as terible if not worse a presence than japan, hence i dont like to take sides in amerca vs japan. and no, practically, ive already EXPLAINED that america shud have attacked japan's naval {and less so, other military} targets instead of FIRBOMBING civilian areas with WOODEN HOUSES and NUKING two civilian centres.
to even try and rationalise the nukes is digusting.
im not forgetting it, im saying you dont kill people for WANTING to do things. you retaliate when they ACTUALLY do them, and they didnt have the capabilities to do it and they wud have had NO military capabilities if their navy was destroyed.
it really is funny though JUST how much americans think themselves more deserving of this world than their peers and just how many concessions in morality/reasoning they are willing to make for their own actions as opposed to those which may have harmed their interests.
LoL, like I said good move with the marginalization tactic, the failed often employ it.
I'm not arguing your stance on the word "empire"; I said have at it many post ago, nice attempt to conflate my points to your advantage, though..
Ah, so there it is, America is the worst because it proved to be the more efficient killer during a war. That is some epic-scale logic, that.
How you conveniently ignore what Japan did when gauging America to Japan in WW2 as to who is the bigger shit. What Japan did to it's POWs and to Chinese (and other) civilians is hilarious. Look up "Japanese war atrocities", besides the usually mass killings of villages etc, they were developing biological weapons to use against American (and the Allies) cilvillians, which they field tested on entire towns in China. Look up the Ni-Go and F-Go projects, they were seeking atomic bombs too, for the purpose of dropping on US metropolitan cities.
If you had any objectivity in your unit of measure, you'd factor all things in back then, otherwise your claim of who's the 'bigger turd' is biased.
but did they do it AMERICA????? we are trying to justify america's actions here, are we not.
no1 here is siding WITH japan. im saying that i have no compassion for ONE evil empire overthrowing ANOTHER evil empire based solely in self interest and using the most inhuman of methods, sumthing it wud NEVER tolerate against itself. and then VEILING it under the guise of helping or avenging other nations or using the "war to end war" analogy. its utter bullshit.
So if someone tries to break into your house because they want to steal something, yet they're stopped mid process, then by your logic they've done nothing wrong, because they didn't actually steal.
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