I assume you're referring to when he was stabbed with the sword center mass. I also assume being halfway in the water had some effect on how his ability to take that damage played out.
And all that is ignoring the context of the conversation. We were once again discussing intent.
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Oh it would? I didn't know this fight was going to start off with a distracted Wolverine getting cheapshotted from behind. Of course Namor's already shown that's the only other way he can get a win besides water.
No, I think this fight would probably "go down much like" Namor vs. Wolverine everytime they've fought. With Namor engaging Wolverine in melee and getting diced then having to resort to plot devices to manage a win.
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I'm surprised Darkcrawler hasn't come into this thread and laid the proverbial smackdown. He'd have a fit if he ever saw the renewed vigor Wolverine supporters have gained since the new respect thread was posted.
Namor 7/10. I could see, and have argued in the past that it would be a 6/10.
Namor doesn't have a viable range option. If he wants to put Wolverine down for the count he has to come into melee range and land a barrage of unanswered hits and IMO that just seems unlikely. Wolverine has surgical precession with his claws, and despite Namor's durability they will cleave through him like a hot knife through butter. A single well placed blow by Wolverine can end they fight instantly or flat out kill Namor... and a misplaced or partially dodged blow can tilt they fight in his favour making landing a critical strike easier.
For Namor to win this fight, he pretty much has to come into melee and fight a faster, deadlier, more skilled opponent who can end the fight in a single blow without getting hit... and to me that seems like a stretch.
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As far as range goes, if he wanted Namor who swing trees, throw giant rocks, or other large projectiles. Also hes fairly agile himself, and you are making it out as though Namor's blows couldnt K.O. Wolverine either.
^ What he said.
I'm pretty sure that this one-shot finishing blow Wolverine would need to unleash would have to be a heart shot or headshot. And considering that he's fought many foes he's tried to kill where he hasn't done this... I see sole reliance on this theory as being even more of a stretch.
Wolverine doesn't typically fight character that are expendable, and thus they live because of PIS. When ever he fights canon fodder or people with healing factor's he land dozens and dozens of deathblows.
And a head shot or heart shot aren't the only options. There are any number of arteries that Wolverine can sever that would kill Namor in a matter of seconds... and even if he doesn't want to be that precise - he could just opt for lopping off a arm or a leg.
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I still disagree, and I think some folks are selling Namor's attributes short. Hes a lot faster, more agile, and more skilled than hes getting credit for. Hes been fighting since at least WW2, and has had good showings against people on a much higher tier than Wolverine.
As for Namor not standing back and throwing stuff, didnt he serve up one of Apocalypse's more embarassing moments by hurling a coffee table at him?
Namor isn't exactly cannon fodder. And as you and jinzin have argued, people with healing factors can get careless and let themselves get hit. Namor wouldn't be fighting with that level of inflated confidence. He knows Wolverine's claws can cut him, so he'd be more careful, because he's smarter.
I also highly doubt an artery shot would kill Namor in seconds. Considering his stamina, pain tolerance and ability to heal in water, I think Namor would avoid instant death. And while lopping off an arm or a leg would certainly hurt, just because Wolverine theoretically could, doesn't equate to it being more likely than not. Personally, I believe that it is more likely that Namor would knock out Wolverine with class 100+ punches before Wolverine managed to slice off his arm or leg.
Wolverine has cut the wings off of a fly that was perched on a man's nose with out damaging the fly or the man. He has surgical percision with his claws and is one of the most skilled fighters on Marvel earth. On KMC Wolverine isn't just going to rake Namor's chest with his claws, he is going to fight to the best of his abilities.
Not much defence Namor could muster against a severed artery. A normal human can die in seconds from having a artery severed, if anything someone as strong as Namor would be even more susceptible. His colossal strength should cause his heart to beat and pump blood at a much faster rate than normal... since that is speculation, I'm willing give the standard human limit before he dies of blood lose.
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Namor isn't exactly a fly perched on a man's nose. You argue as if Namor's standing still in this fight. You forget that Namor is fighting to the best of his abilities as well? A man can also easily die from being stabbed in the gut like Wolverine did to Namor in the 'Civil War' tie-in. But Namor simply got back up without any benefit of healing in water. It's more arguable that even despite the difficulty of landing such a shot on a fighting Namor, his half-human, half-Atlantean mutant physiology would probably prevent such an ignoble death.
A fly is such a small target that even when moving an arm or a leg would be significantly easier to hit. Since Namor can't block Wolverine's claws, he is only real option is to flat out avoid them. With the sharpness of Wolverine's claws if they manage to bite into Namor even a bit then even the slightest momentum could cause them pass complete through whatever they connect with. We all know Wolverine's claws meet with minimum resistance.
It takes a long time to die from a stomach wound, the are very painful and hard to treat but it can take days to day from a stomach wound. Namor getting back up shows impressive pain tolerance, but not out of line with other characters show. Severing an artery causes the blood to pump out of the body at an astounding rate. I can't see how Namor could possibly overcome that, with out retreating to an open source of water with in seconds.
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I'd have an easier time cutting the wings off a fly that's standing still over cutting the arm off of a foe like Namor who's trying to kick my a$$. Trust me.
Why would Namor have to be able to block Wolverine's claws to avoid this fabricated instant death blow you're concocting? He could: 1) duck; 2) dodge to the side; 3) grab Wolverine's arms mid-slash; 4) any number of things to cause Wolverine to miss. Namor isn't stationary in this fight and he's fighting to the best of his abilities.
I don't see how a human can possibly get back up and knock out a foe after getting a gut full of claws. So what? Namor did. If you can't see Namor surviving an artery shot past a few seconds, it's because you're ignoring his on-panel feats, ignoring his half-human, half-Atlantean mutant physiology and not applying suspension of disbelief equally between both opponents. You stand there and sincerely argue that Wolverine won't get knocked out by the concussive force of a class 100+ punch but you can't believe Namor would survive an artery cut?
Your cup of tea. I know I'll never convince you that Namor would win the majority here. But with the arguments you're making, I now doubt you'll ever convince me of the opposite.
No. No you wouldn't. A fly is so small, and there is virtually no margin of error. If you (in this instance "you" are Wolverine) can hit a target that small then hitting an arm is like through a tenis ball at a brickwall by comparison.
Severed head? Severed jugular? Severed artery? Punctured heart? There are so many options that can cause a virtually instance death; and many more over that can severely hinder Namor's mobility (severed tendons) or stop it all together.
Lets run through his avoidance options here.
Duck: Wolverine is a much smaller target who typically crouches/hunches when he fights - most of his attacks will becoming upwards.
Dodge to the side: Certainly possible but Wolverine is a faster more skilled opponent and with his claws his has a larger melee radius then Namor.
Grab Wolverine's arm midslash: *See Above*
Namor's primary objective will be to avoid Wolverine's claws and wait for an opening in Wolverine's guard so he can slip through and attack without getting hit. He will have a small window of opportunity and Namor will be the most susceptible to an attack when he is mounting his own offence.
There is nothing in the stomach that is vital to the short term operation of the body's mobility. A stomach wound will hurt like a ***** but if you can push through the pain you could theoretically still fight.
Anyway... what on panel examples would lead you to believe that Namor can magically survive an artery being severed. Do you have any idea how the human / atlantean body works? Do you know what the life blood of the human body is? I'll give you a hint: it's blood. A severed artery (depending on the artery) will pump out all the blood in Namor's body in a minute. How is he going to muscle through that? How do you think he is going to opperate his body? Is he going to will his body to move with no blood to fuel it? I know you reaaaaaaaaaaaaaly want Namor to win, but don't be ridiculous!
I can't convince you because you are insane. You think Namor's body runs on magically pixie dust and will power.
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Yet Wolverine who's ALSO had a fair advantage over Namor in pretty much every encounter in past events has no relevance?
I seeeeee....
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