Yeah, but by the time he figures out using fisticuffs is bad against Wolverine and switches strategy he's got no arms.
You would think so, yet he hasn't in 3 opportunities.
Wolverine is not helpless in most of those scans, so I dont know why you bothered posting them. Here we go:
Hulk vs. Death Scan: Hulk rushes Wolverine. Scan is not helping you because in the act of rushing Wolverine Hulk gets 2 feet of sword shoved through his back (which would have killed Namor or KOed him), then he gets his hand impaled (which would have crippled Namor, giving Wolverine time to recover and attack) and impaled Hulk through the neck. (which would have killed or KOed Namor).
Hulk/Wolverine Sam Kieth Scan: Wolverine was not fighting back against Hulk in that comic. The little girl begs and begs him not to hurt her Uncle Bruce. And even though he was not fighting back Wolverine was taking class 100+ punches and still able to fight. So another useless scan for you.
Hulk # 181 scan: took Hulk an entire issue to land 1 punch on Wolverine. Meanwhile Wolverine cut him some 237 times. (which would have killed or KOed Namor) Only punch he could land happened because Wolverine was BLINDSIDED. IE Hulk SUCKERPUNCHED Wolverine. And Wolverine had no HEALING FACTOR back then, which today allows him to shrug off Hulk's multiple full powered solid strikes and continue fighting. So again this scan is worthless.
Colossus: Pic wont work, but doesn't matter anyway as Wolverine shrugged off Colossus' full powered shot BEFORE HE HAD A HEALING ABILITY.
Sasquatch: first pic will not work. Please check before you post. Second pic, again will not work. Not helping yourself there buddy. Third pic: Sasquatch blindsided Wolverine and Wolverine doesn't fight back because Sasquatch is his FRIEND. He takes the beating and at the end he says, "Heya, Walt." And he's not even hurt. Wolverine calmly takes Sas' beating so that he can plant a mystic bug that shakes his friend loose of his mind control. WOLVERINE WAS NOT TRYING TO FIGHT BACK AT ALL. Read the comic man. Again your scan proves only that Wolvy can take serious damage no problem.
Wonderman: Blindsided Wolverine from behind and got right back to his feet after the beating stopped. Did you really think that little rock would KO the guy anyway? Come on. Seems like the 100+ class need to snipe Wolvy to get any kind of advantage doesn't it?
Mauvais: What are you serious? Mauvais is a friggin BEAST!!! Normally Mauvis is like the undead version of Doctor Strange, a mystic with some abilities like teleportation, telekenesis, telepathy, mystic energy projection, illusions, and he can raise and control the dead. Then he gains the curse of the Wendigo giving him near Hulk level stats across the board and he's friggin IMMORTAL!!!. Mauvais/Wendy has a massive reach advantage over Wolverine, and yet even he got slashed by Wolverine. Wendigo and Mauvais himself have massive healing abilities that save them from this strike. Namor out of water would have been badly hurt by Wolverine's slash and the rest of the fight would have gone differently. Your scan also fails to state that Wolverine had just fought both WENDIGO AND MAUVAIS for an entire issue before he fights pumped up Mauvais/Wendigo. Understandably Wolverine was a bit beat up by the time he had to fight pumped up Mauvais/Wendy. Here's how it goes:
Normal Mauvais+Wendigo+Mauvais/Wendigo hybrid >>>>> Namor.
Next time try something a little more 1 on 1.
Namor grabs DD's arm:
Wolverine is a lot faster than DD my friend. DD is physically human. Wolverine is far beyond that.
Namor grabs missiles:
Missiles dont have adamantium claws. Namor grabs claws=no more fingers.
Namor grabs speargun:
Wolverine has no problem snatching arrows out of the air. Spear is only tipped, not bladed, less danger involved. Namor did this feet under water, where he is more powerful, therefor this scan is useless.
Wolverine may not have much of a reach advantage, but he does have one and any time Namor tries to hit Wolverine he runs the risk of having his blow blocked, which would = crippled hand/foot and he can't block Wolverine's claws unless he suddenly starts carrying around adamantium tridents in his speedoes.
It's been fun countering your every argument. Good Night.
Read my post above. You are obviously ignorant of the events of that comic. Wolverine has to fight Mauvais (magic user with massive healing ability), Wendigo (Hulk level threat that is immortal), and then he fights the pumped up Mauvais/Wendigo hybrid that you see in those scans. He also takes on all of alpha flight. He was far more powerful than Namor and Wolverine had already been through one HELL of a fight by that time and he still manages to deliver a blow that would have badly injured Namor, before above beating takes place.
Read the comics before you post random pictures guys.
Isn't it hilarious when idiots can't actually read the comics instead of just posting random scans that have little to nothing to do with the discussion?
Sure, if he fights like a retard...99% of the time he doesn't.
Because of bad writing.
He has the sword stabbed on him prior that. He sneak attacked Hulk.
And Namor's had sword gone through him and been excatly fine, even making jokes.
And you forgot the second example, where Logan was helpless AGAIN and nearly knocked out.
"I can't regenerate fast enough, with this monster beating the hell out of me..."
Not really useless.
Except that unlike Hulk, Namor would not never get cut. It's called speed and ability to dodge.
He was again helpless against Colossus's assault in that pic. I try to find a working one.
He is not hurt, BUT HE COULD NOT FIGHT BACK. And after that he stabbed him. The point isn't to prove that he can't take damage, the point is that he can't stab back when Class 100's are beating him, as he can't move. Understood?
Namor is faster then Mauvais, and their strength is pretty much same...Wendigo is not physically stronger then Namor.
And he was healed after he fought both Wendigo and Mauvais. His healing factor is fast. He healed in the same amount of time in the next issue too.
And again, he was helpless against Class 100 assault. Couldn't stab anything as soon as he started punching.
Namor is faster then Wolverine too.
He dodges the claws and grabs the wrists...
He is not more powerful under water. It's him being hydrated which makes him strong, not submerged.
Actually, he could dodge and grab Wolverine's wrists. And as soon as Namor grabs any part of Wolverine, he is done. As soon as Namor punches Wolverine, he is done as Namor can continue punching him, and Wolverine will be helpless against him.
And Namor doesn't even have to aim for lethal place. Anywhere will do fine.
The definition of countering doesn't apply to this...you missed the entire point of the post.
It also would be nice to see Wolverine actually chop off something as durable as Namor's bones instead of just making skin and muscle wounds...
Oh yeah, and claw strikes CAN be blocked, by brushing off Wolverine's arms before the claw even touches Namor. His arms are easily long enough to do that. Just bypass the claws and hit the arms when Wolverine tries to attack him.
In hand to hand fight, Namor will easily have the edge.
And a weak cut will do NOTHING at all. Namor has fought hundreds of sea-beasts who had their entire body FILLED with spikes, poison tipped fins, and other murderous weapons which were capable of even breaking Namor's skin. He recieved HUNDREDS of cuts, and didn't even care about them. Not to mention he fought Griffin and recieved cuts, nothing happened, got stabbed by ebony sword through his stomach, and didn't even care about the pain but grabbed the sword and threw it away...
And not to mention that he has his wrist bands, which can effectively be used for blocking sharp things too, like he did with Attuma. They may not be adamantium, but they are made of Atlantean metals, and were strong enough to block an razor sharp sword made by Atlanteans too (And wielded by Class 80)...only thing that has ever destroyed them was a huge mound of anti-metal.
And this affects his fighting ability how? He has superhuman endurance and all-powerful healing factor that looked like it did its job quite well, since Logan looked pretty healthy before this fight.
He seemed pretty fine to me until he got decked. And then decked again. And then had his hand caught (something Namor can easily do) and got decked once more. I don't see how this changes my argument at all.
I read the comics just fine, thank you. But, perhaps you should show me the part where Wolverine wins in that fight. I just can't find it.
thats the problem with wolverine.. he is too much inconsistent , some times they show him avoiding bullets and sometimes they show him get tagged by bullets and even ordinary humans , so people can debate for ever about him because he is very unbalanced character , its like sometimes he is written one way and the other time he is super wolverine and then again he gets his ass kicked all the time, make up your mind already what are his abilities damn writers , i mean wolverine began to be some bad ass since his new origins and issue #43 , before that freakin sabretooth took him out every fight they had, elektra owned him, he got shot too many times to remember , he went toe to toe with the punisher who trashed him a little in h2h fight , i mean if wolverine such a bad ass and such a speedster then how could punisher lay some good beating at him in wolverine #186?, freakin sabretooth killed wolverine in #175 , yes wolverine did not had his healing factor but where the hell is his super duper hydro speed and skills? in wolverine 189 wolverine was humiliated by some cop that hits him from behind and knocks him out then the cop takes him into the woods and beats the crap out of wolverine with a shovel ..... and after all that humiliation he suddenly can take out the thing and namor???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
if anyone has wolverine #189 please post the part where a cop knocks wolverine from behind with a hit and then trash his ass with a shovel that should and all this" wolverine is marvel version of superman" crap
"Ever since writer Marc Guggenheim took over the reins on the title with the current "Civil War"-related arc (beginning with No. 42) and Wolverine's decision to hunt down Nitro, the man responsible for the Stamford Incident which started "Civil War," "Wolverine's" stories fit the character like a glove.
With Wolverine having made the decision to bring Nitro to justice, No. 43 begins with two quotes: "Before setting out on revenge, first dig two graves," an old Chinese proverb changed by Wolverine to, "Before setting out on revenge, first dig 10 graves. Saves time later."
The rest of the issue has cover-to-cover-action as Wolverine teams up with a special SHIELD unit to locate Nitro. Things do not go well.
In issue No. 44, Wolverine learns how he can prevent Nitro from using his explosive power, but he decides to spare Nitro's life in return for information. Just then he is attacked by three Atlantean Sleeper Agents intent on bringing Nitro into custody for the death of their Princess, Namorita. This issue ends with her cousin Namor, the Sub-Mariner, joining the fray.
The story arc reaches its apex with the current issue, No. 45, which features a no-holds-barred battle between Wolverine and Namor. Namor wins the battle and takes Nitro to Atlantis."
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in wolverine #160 he gets his ass kicked by mister x body guard who has something like peek human strength he trash logan only at the end wolverine hangs him
in the blood sport story wolverine toad trashed him only at the end wolverine grabs his tong and slams him , and wolverine barely won against puma , he admitted himself that he was lucky against puma and that puma should kill him
damn even zaran gave him a good fight in wolverine #158 , zaran shot an arrow into wolverines arm and wolverine got hit , by arrow ....and then in a h2h fight zaran avoids wolverines strike and stabs him .. yes wolverine won that fight but even zaran gave him a hard fight , look at all those people that gave him that kind of beating, and you can even say that wolverine should take namor out??
i am not coming against wolverine or against his fans its just that i am on the side of logic ,thats my opinion anyway
for the wolvie fanmobys you do reailze that if they dont show wolverined doing things outside his ablities like hanging with hulk or wedego then he wont seem like such an intersting charater fanatics like you wouldnt be intersted in hm and he wouldnt sell comics that's the only reason they show this
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yup one big vicious cycle isnt it? that's why when we debate fights here w're suppose to drop all the gimmics and debate them in their character design
Well 0 for 3 means yes he fights like a retard against Wolverine. Wolverine is a better fighter than Namor and better versed in hand 2 hand. He should fight like a retard against Wolvy.
If this was a valid reason I would never have to hear about the Garth Ennis Punisher fight again. But I constantly hear about it, therefor it's not a valid excuse. Your "bad writing" fights weren't bad writing all 3 times, sorry. 1 time, maybe, 2 times, a pattern builds, 3 times, Wolverine has his number in a hand 2 hand fight.
Maybe so, I dont remember. If Wolverine had used the same tactic against Namor he would be dead or KOed.
What and Wolverine hasn't? Wolverine has had people impale him and then bungee jump using his innards as an anchor point and just stood there without even the barest hint of physical discomfort. He doesn't even take being impaled as an insult most of the time, he just responds calmly, "Are you done?" Wolverine handles impaling fine 10/10 Namor can not claim that same level of toughness.
Feeling the pain? Sure. Helpless? Obviously not as he has Hulk on the ropes by the bottom of the same page. Wolverine only needs a single strike to turn a fight against class 100+ as you so graciously provided us with proof of.
What? Can you not read? WOLVERINE WAS NOT EVEN FIGHTING BACK!! He told the little girl he wouldn't hurt Hulk. What part of not fighting back can you not comprehend man? Would Wolverine get overwealmed by a Hulk beating if he just stood there and took it? Hell yes. This however is not a fight and the only reason Hulk can do it to him is because Wolverine is just standing there letting Hulk hit him. All this proves is 100+ classes can only hurt Wolverine if he doesn't fight back. That doesn't help your argument, especially considering Namor can't dish it out like Hulk, unless he's in the water.
Yeah, unfortunately Wolverine has speed and the ability to dodge as well. Wolverine has easily cut Namor all 3 times they have fought, so your statment is WRONG. Yeah Namor can dodge, just not Wolverine's attacks, as has been proven.
Jesus Christ!! Again you fail to grasp the concept. Let me spell it out:
WOLVERINE WAS NOT FIGHTING BACK!!!
Sasquatch was Wolverine's friend. He was being controlled. Wolverine could have hit Sas back at any time. He didn't because he was just trying to get that worm on him to snap him out of the mind control. And your above statment is a blatant lie. Wolverine never stabbed Sasquatch after he took that beating. He slipped out of Sas' grip flipped up and planted a mystic grub on him. Try not to fabricate the truth for your purposes bud. Wolverine wasn't hurt, therefor he could have fought back at any time. He just didn't want to hurt Sas, who is an old friend.
Speculation on your part. I firmly believe Wendigo is stronger than Namor. I do know Wendigo is way more durable on land. No contest. And Wendigo is most likely faster than Namor in a hand 2 hand fight. He slapped around Nightcrawler easily, one of the hardest to hit chars in Marvel. Mauvais/Wendy even moreso.
And how the hell would you know if he was healed pal? That was a "nuff said" issue which means there were no words and no monologue, therefor you dont know how injured Wolverine was. Considering he had just gone toe to toe with Hulk level Wendigo and a mystic far more powerful than Hulk level Wendigo it's safe to say that the guy was hurting, especially considering he had just taken a massive fall before he engages the Mauvais/Wendy Hybrid.
Yes he could. After the first hit from Wendi/Mauvais Wolverine did slash him back. That would have stopped the 100+ class assault right there, but considering Wendigo's healing ability allows him to heal from death in about 2 or 3 panels he could keep fighting. Had it been Namor his attacks would not have been as powerful and Wolverine would have turned the fight around after the slash. Namor can not take the hits that Mauvais/Wendigo hybrid can. Wendigo's healing+immortality+Mauvais' mystic healing+his immortality= far, far tougher to hurt than Namor. Namor would have been badly injured by page 2 of the original 3-way fight when he slashes Mauvais. Mauvais alone, without Wedigo's curse has proven he's more durable against Wolverine than Namor.
Yeah, he can cover more ground than Wolverine because he can FLY. In a hand 2 hand situation Wolverine is faster. And if Namor flies at Wolverine he will be in for a rude awakening. Storm flies a damn site faster than Namor does and Wolverine cuts the cape off her shoulders without even looking at her Uncanny X-Men # 178. Wolverine's reflexes and speed can handle anything Namor throws at him.
Only if he's fast enough, and he hasn't been a good 3 times now, so your using a losing strategy there. Hulk has tried doing that too. Once he got his hands torn up (Namor loses his hands) and the other time he plowed Wolverine's head into the ground, only to have Wolverine flip up onto his back for 4 straight slashes to Hulk's back before Hulk could commence with that lovely 100 class pounding theory your so fond of.
Too easy for Wolverine to cut off his hands.
Nope, Wolverine has done just fine after Hulk gets ahold of him. Namor wont do anything more than Hulk could. Wolverine has even hit Hulk hard enough to make him lose his grip on Wolverine. Same holds true for him hitting Namor, only moreso since Namor aint as tough.
Nope, Wolverine just has to put up his hands to keep Namor at bay, unless Namor wants to be crippled punching adamantium blades. Wolverine can just as easily get on top of Namor and slash away. And Wolverine's barrage will be more effective than Namor's will. As has been proven.
Obviously this is BS. In the very Sasquatch issue you failed to use in this argument Sasquatch even comments that his blows didn't hurt Wolverine, but Puck hitting him in the crotch doubles him over. Wolverine responds, "There's no adamantium there." Wolverine shrugs off blows from guys more powerful than Namor, blah, blah, blah.
Your right, I didn't counter anything, I flat out explained to you why your every argument is wrong and does not apply to the issue at hand.
Pffffft. Namor's bones are not adamantium, nor are they of a stronger or even remotely as durable substance, therefor they would get cut.
all you got in namors side is your speculations of what he should do and what he could do while there are 3 issues that show wolverine kick his ass.... so 3 different issues show that wolverine can hurt him and that wolverine is too fast for him thats why he looks like some idiot .... because wolverine is too fast for him when it comes too fighting, its not the speed of running, or flying, its speed of fighting those are very different things, since wolverine is faster in a fight and more skilled then him plus wolverine can cut him with claws and that was proven already on pannel , then you got nothing to say ... how is super strength going to help him if he just will be cut? he tries to punch wolverine and he loses his arm like snarks and riceroost mentioned before, wolverine got the tool to hurt him, wolverine got the skills over him and thats why namor always looks like some idiot when he fights wolverine , daredevil was able to avoid namors punches, so does spider-man , so does captain america ... and we all agree that wolverine is faster or at least as fast as captain america , so namor is basically faster when it comes to flying, but what good is flying when you will just get impaled on the claws?
the thing was beating namors ass, ironman was beating his ass , where was his super speed then? wolverine is much faster then the thing , the point is that marvel themselves already gave you on pannel 3 times a reason why namor looks like an idiot next to wolverine ... but you are such a fanboys that you just dont want to understand it
by the way in the invinsible iron man #12 namor gets his ass kicked by some creature underwater and guess what? that thing cuts him and namor bleeds and that thing beat his ass and namor wasnt avoiding him even until iron man saved his ass , namor is not what you try to make out of him and he got and will get owned by wolverine every time... why? because he doesnt have the skills or the durability or the strength to stand in wolverines way , how good is his strength against someone with healing factor and metal bones? you all just kids that try to make fun out of every one who defends wolverine , and for those of you who are above 20 years i feel very deeply sorry for you i really do ( it meant for wolverine haters)
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, namor is not what you try to make out of him and he got and will get owned by wolverine every time... why? because he doesnt have the skills or the durability or the strength to stand in wolverines way , how good is his strength against someone with healing factor and metal bones? you all just kids that try to make fun out of every one who defends wolverine , and for those of you who are above 20 years i feel very deeply sorry for you i really do ( it meant for wolverine haters)
