Getting the snot kicked out of you by 2 Hulk level badies before a brawl means your going to be effed up. When you are effed up you dont fight as well, obviously.
Wolverine fought Wendigo (Hulk level) and Mauvais (took down Hulk level Wendigo with ease) right before this fight. He did get hit by both of them. Dont be stupid enough to think he wasn't injured.
Wendigo's hand is the size of Wolverine's upper body. It's a damn sight easier for him to catch Wolverine than it would be for Namor. Wendigo would also heal from getting his grabass hands cut off. Namor wouldn't. And yeas Wolverine is easily fast enough to do this to Namor.
Hulk wouldn't have taken Mauvais/Wendigo by himself. If I remember correctly the Gods of the North had to come down and handle the guy. And he fought them after taking on AL of Alpha Flight. That makes him FAR beyond Namor level, and thus a horrible comparison for this fight.
This is false. Wolverine has won at least half of their fights, most likely more than half.
No she didn't. She sneak attacked him while he was mind controlled and fighting 20 Shield troops. That's called a suckerpunch.
Are you serious? Jesus Christ.
1) no healing factor.
2) no powers means he has no enhanced speed, reflexes, agility. (how do you not get that?)
3) Adamantium poisioning makes him weaker than a normal human and sickens him.
4) He had just got the snot kicked out of him by Omega Red and Lady Deathstrike.
5) He was exposed to Red's Death Phermones without a healing factor, which means he was as good as dead.
Try reading # 173+174 before you pass judgement. Wolverine was in horrible shape, dying, and had no friggin powers.
Wolverine LET that cop do all that to him. Do you honestly think that Cop could have done any of that unless Wolverine let him? He let the cop do that to him SO HE COULD GET A MURDER WEAPON. He wanted the gun the cop had on him. He was playing with the guy.
1) Wolverine knew the cop was behind him and let him hit him with the shovel and then pretends to be helpless.
2) The cop handcuffs Logan to restrain him. Do you obviously think Wolverine can't break hand cuffs? Breaking handcuffs take svery little effort for Logan.
3) Cop hits him with shovel, shoots him, and buries him. Wolverine lets him do this so he can find out where the Cop's other victims are buried genius. As soon as the cop is out of sight Wolverine digs himself out, completely fine. It's called playing possum.
After Wolverine had fought a small army of high calibur mercenaries, gotten shot a lot, lit on fire, shot some more, and then been sneak attacked by 3 World Class assassins. And he still beats them all. He wasn't taking that fight seriously. He was cracking jokes to TnA.
Do you read the actual comics? Wolverine had just been poisoned right before that fight by VIPER who knows how to circumvent Wolverine's healing factor. Wolverine was weakened for this fight. And he still wins against someone that is physically superior to Spider-Man.
Wolverine was POISONED before that fight. He was not operating at peak effeciency. Read the comic man.
because namor is no where near the wendigo\movious , wolverine was fighting them both before fighting the complete form of them both , wendigo has a huge arm thats why namor could never do that , namors arm would be cut off , namor is not as strong as wendigo/movious that took the entire alpha flight or no where durable as him , bottom line go read!!!!!!! read!!!! and read!!!!!! the story thats behind the pictures that you post , damn i really think that people here just search for scans on google where wolverine hets hit and no matter whats the reason they will still post it
elektra never took wolverine out, when they were on that submarine she just attacked him from behind with her sai and later the submarine was damaged so they all felt down it wasnt a fight and wolverine was fighting other soldiers when she attacked him he was in the middle of a fight
sabretooth got some wins over wolverine but he is wolverine arch nemesis he suppose to give him a good fight and yet in issue 175 wolverine did not had his healing factor, was after a very very long fight against omega red and lady death strike , and still wolverine was able to give sabretooth some beating and knock him down into a trap that if sabretooth wouldnt have his healing factor he would die, and sabretooth was hurting wolverine in his wounds that were caused by omega red and lady deathstrike
he beat the punisher and kicked the crap out of him and was laughing at him at the end, yes punisher made couple of hits so what? they had to show him doing something after all it was an entire issue fight , a fight for 24 pages , what did you expect? wolverine beating him for 24 pages? the fact is that wolverine won and humiliated him
go read wolverine 189 and come back to tell me why he got hit by that cop
by the way is it possible that you are just mad because wolverine owned beast in one panel? , even the cripple thing it took for him a page
ordinery wendigo got owned by wolverine 3 times, but it wasnt an ordinery wendigo it was wendigo + mauvious who is a mystical bad ass like doc strange , he owned the entire alpha flight , so before you say somethig go and reat that issue
oh and by the way i just saw invincible iron man #12 and namor got his ass kicked real hard by that green thing in the water, slash after slash namor was owned until iron man saved him, if i had a scanner i could show it , its a real humiliation
well he was cutting namor , same thing wolverine can do, and guess what? namor wasnt avoiding the cuts with his super speed as you say he should, he was just getting cut after cut like a loser until iron man saved him
i never talked about wolverine vs that thing, i was talking about the fact that wolverine could do the same thing to namor that this green thing did to him , he was cuting namor and namor couldnt react to avoid it so the same thing would happen against wolverine
They have roughly the same combat experience (Seeing as Wolverine's training began somewhere when he was about twenty-five, as he was pussy until that...Namor was trained from birth), besides the fact that when Wolverine fights ninjas or SWAT, Namor fights interdimensonal warrior gods and sorcerer demons.
All three times were bad writing. Bad writing is when character doesn't fight like he does most of the time, his personality is written wrong and he is portrayed as an idiot.
Sorry, cannot change the facts.
And Ennis Punisher fight was bad writing too…I am not denying it.
Sneak attack does not apply to this fight.
And who the hell was talking about Wolverine’s ability to take impaling? Nobody.
Helpless, as he was not able to do anything as soon as Hulk was punching him. The same happens again in many points of the issue…
So his healing factor is dependable on if he is in fight, weaker if he is not in fight…?
And Namor is as strong as he is on land, as long as he is not dehydrated.
Yeah, and again, Namor only punches him one or two times when they fight, doesn’t even ATTEMPT to dodge, and doesn’t generally do anything that would help him against Wolverine.
Wait…I just realized that you think that Wendigo tagging Nightcrawler is impressive then the hundreds of speed feats Namor has…Namor has tagged Speed Demon and Whizzer who are many times harder to hit, so, moot point. Namor is faster then Wendigo BY FAR. You don’t want me to start comparing their speed feats.
Or durability feats either, Namor has that in spades too. Wendigo’s feat list would pale in comparision to Namor.
And as for strength…which one of the characters is the guy who knocked out the Hulk?
Cause he didn’t have any wounds left…
There are the pretty pictures there as well, not the text.
And you know how many attacks actually hit Wolverine in that fight prior that? Four. Namor is able to dish the same amount in milliseconds if he wishes so.
Again, Wendigo/Mauvais punched him away and stood there waiting for him. Didn’t work. After that, he punched him more then one time, and didn’t stop his assault. It worked.
Basics of fighting.
I’m sorry, did I just hear you saying that Storm is faster then Namor in flying?
Storm’s top speed is about 500 mph. Namor has hit speeds five times faster while not even trying.
Seriously, I would advise you to do more research on Namor besides his lowest showings (which are against Wolverine. Surprise, surprise). I don’t base Wolverine’s capabilities on his fight with Punisher or Daredevil…
Wait, I forgot. It’s good to use Wolverine’s highest showings, but when it comes to Namor, you can only use the low ones…
For those good 3 times, he has not used his speed at all.
Despite ever actually cutting material as hard as Namor’s bones. Can you name a material besides adamantium that has taken full shot from Mjolnir without even breaking at all? No? Perhaps something that has survived re-entry from space with multiple times the speed of sound and had no damage? No? How about material that has taken continous assault from Thunderstrike and Hercules and had no damage? Come on. Perhaps something that has taken all-out blast from Ultron and been not harmed (not even shouting in pain, and may I remind you that even low-level blasts from Ultron have broken Hulk’s bones)? How about metal standing atop miniature nuke and been unharmed? Material that has not broken anything while taking full punch from Iron Man and full brunt of his repulsor rays directly after that? Have good time trying. Silver Surfer’s blasts? Thanos’s attacks? All-out Thor assault? Master Khan’s magical beams?
And if you can, can you please tell me when Wolverine has cut material like that?
Because in his 67 years in comics, Namor’s bones have never been broken.
Except that Namor can actually hit Wolverine a dozen times in second and be smart enough to continue doing so.
Somehow, all your examples require Namor to be replaced by a mannequin…you forget that he can adapt to fighting situations as well.
And how many blows landed to Wolverine? Three?
Nobody is arguing that Wolverine can’t take less then 5 punches from Class 100’s.
Except that you didn’t.
” Because in his 67 years in comics, Namor’s bones have never been broken.”
Actually, I wouldn’t say that they are that far behind adamantium.
For all of Namor vaunted speed and fighting skilled every encounter he has had with the Hulk, he has been hit numerous times. In fact Hulk has proven, more then once, that on land Namor isn't even a threat to him... even when Hulk is weaken from being separated from Banner and Namor has Iron Man, Wonder Man, She Hulk, Hercules and others with him to fight. Namor has been hit by the Hulk on land. He has been hit by the Hulk under the sea. He has been hit by Captain America, Spider-man and Daredevil too. He has been hit by Hercules and he has been hit by the Thing. He has been hit by Tiger Shark and most of all he has been hit by Wolverine. Thats just how it is. He isn't some phenomenal fighter who weaves in and out of combat stay just out of reach and the hammering home when he finds an opening and the dancing just out of reach immediately after. He is a brawler, and an average brawler at that.
Wolverine is compact, lower to the ground with a lower center of gravity meaning he has leverage, he is a smaller target and he has almost no openings. He is more skilled and even if he wasn't his body type and fighting style gives him an advantage in combat. His combat reflexes and speed are, at the very least, the equal of Namor. Wolverine will hit Namor in a fight. He will hit Namor more then once before Namor hits Wolverine. Wolverine has claws, his attacks are more likely to be fatal. Thats it. Thats all their is to it.
But I'm preaching to a guy who thinks that Namor's bones are almost as hard as adamantium. Good luck with that by the way.
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So has Wolverine....yet you have him block, dodge or speedblizt Namor apparently faster then Namor can react...and as a proof of this you use feats outside his fights with another characters.
I'm just doing the same, don't be a hypocrite.
Using one fight with strongest incarnation of Hulk, good job. And that fight happened on desert, and Hercules stated that Namor was weak there.
Namor has gone toe to toe with Savage Hulk, Dark Hulk and other incarnations. Now, note that only time Wolverine has actually been able to go toe to toe with any incarnation of Hulk, was against the weakest one, post Heroes Reborn Hulk.
Blows Dark Hulk landed: 1. (And even that was a surprise attack) Blows Namor landed: 8.
Guess which one of the characters is faster?
Except that Hulk doesn't land a hit when Namor uses his speed. Except that Captain America gets pwned unless Namor is mind-controlled or cocky 18 year old. Except that Spider-Man can land a hit on Namor only with help of tricks and surprise attacks, and even then Namor landed more punches on him, except that Thing is not a threat if Namor takes the fight seriously, excapt that Daredevil has actually said that Namor moved to fast for him, except that Tiger Shark gets beaten in one or three panels when Namor is angry...
Except that he can be when he needs to do something like that, and HAS danced around his enemy's reach.
And he is probably the most skilled brawler there is, who actually has speed combined with it.
You talk like his adamantium claws protect every fricking point in his body, and he is so small that Namor won't even be able to see him. He is not. It doesn't matter where Namor hits him, as long as he continues that punch with another, and another and another...
That would be if Namor was Class 1 instead of Class 100...and didn't have greater speed feats...and would actually be moving in the battle.
Except that he won't, unless you are ignoring every single dodging and speed feat Namor has. You see, Wolverine has to hit a fatal place. Namor can hit anywhere he wants.
Flesh wounds rarely are fatal...and Wolverine won't be cutting through Namor's bones.
Oh yeah, guess whose bones didn't break when he hit a robot MADE OUT of adamantium as hard as he could?
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, even the cripple thing it took for him a page 
