With all due respect, this is like the Al Gore of posts on downloading.
Most of it is you filling in gaps as you see fit and villanising an industry more than you have any reasonable grounds to. Whether or not they do some less than ethical things is of course questionable, but actually supplying their artists with drugs to keep them docile, or dead?
Are you actually sitting there with tin foil on your head or better yet, do you genuinely expect me to take this post seriously or something?
Corrupt does not equal being a mobster, what's wrong with you?
Do you ever wonder why so many clean people seem to get heavily into drugs once they sign to major labels? And i'm not villainizing an industry, i'm villainizing a cartel that's monopolizing an industry
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its a dodgy theory. im sure many artists feel disgusted with themselves for abandoning their own hearts and selling out by allowing producers to cowrite their songs and tell them what they can/cant do, but they make their own decision to become junkies.
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Aqualung, Ben's Brother are the most recent examples I've seen.
It isn't about being musically patriotic, it's about American labels being sold the rights to release the albums and hacking them up. If you're interested in artistic integrity, whether you like the band or not, it should bother you.
Were I someone that spent more time in England, I might notice the same thing being done by English labels. But, as it is, I don't.
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Yeah, it's a shit thing, especially now with the labels making more and more of an attempt to reap the benefits to everything, not necessarily just sales.
Most labels actually require ownership, or majority ownership of recording masters now, which sucks, but then again...if you're dumb enough to sign...
Trent Reznor made that mistake with TVT Records all those years ago, back in the very late 80s and he only just cleared all the legal issues up as of '05.
again, i don't steal i usually buy the album and usually its on a label that isn't part of the RIAA (or erroneously listed as part on their website), i just think that stealing from thieves isn't morally bankrupt
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dude, I don't even own/use file sharing software and the only illegal music i have is on vinyl. And in this situation, what people are doing is wrong but the people who are suing them (unless it's a single record company, an artist, or a LEGALLY defined trade group) don't have the right to sue. It is against american legal ettiquette and law for an illegal organization to sue someone. It is also illegal to sue someone over something you don't own. In these situations, i believe that two wrongs do make a right because they can be defined as civil disobedience and a from of protest.
For examples of the latter crime, I had a friend in college get a threatening letter from the RIAA for downloading a song by The Joykiller. Joykiller are on epitaph records that has no connection to the RIAA other than distribution in several countries and was therefore listed as an RIAA member on their website despite not actually being one. He challenged and the decision was thrown out. An even more heinous example, another friend is in a local band and was victimized by Sony Records' infamous copyright virus when he burned a cd to his itunes and never bothered to get fixed, hence allowing sony access to his computer. He was sent a notice for trading a song on AIM...a song HE WROTE. luckily, he also had the balls to fight and received a hefty settlement for wrongful and malicious suit. Now doesn't this and many of the examples of their activities sound like extortion, violation of privacy, filing of malicious lawsuits, and...TERRORISM?
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Wait, accusing record labels of being mobsters was funny, saying they make their artists drug addicts was humourous but slightly worrying considering the fact that you meant it, but saying they are committing terrorism?
I just hope you don't expect to be taken seriously.
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Here is my justification for downloading music:
A band or artist makes most of their money touring etc. Record companies take a large percentage of profits from album sales. Thats why you rarely (if ever) see the actual artists sueing anyone for illegally downloading. I have a hard time believing that a band or musical artist is terribly detrimented by music downloads. They should just be glad people are listening to their music in the first place.
It's called personal responsibility and respect, in my opinion, people should pay that respect, by paying money. Either way, they aren't getting money they deserve if you don't pay.
As for the truly stupid argument that artists SHOULD be thankful in spite of you owning something of theirs without them getting something of yours that they are owed...well...it's just a stupid, ignorant argument.
Some artists are ok with it, but the default should be that you assume they aren't and respect them.
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