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No Super Buu's genocidal attack was meant to kill all the humans on Earth and didn't cause any explosions that's what it was a reference too.

Goku and Vegeta wasn't even on the planet when he used that attack.


Ok, I know what attack you are talking about. What was the point of bring that up? That only helps my argument that DBZ fighters possess different types of energy attacks. Another example, frieza finger blast.


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That only helps my argument that DBZ fighters possess different types of energy attacks.
There's an argument that they have different types of attacks?


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There's an argument that they have different types of attacks?


Finger energy attacks, palm energy attacks, feet energy attacks, eye energy attacks, mouth energy attacks...no expression


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Finger energy attacks, palm energy attacks, feet energy attacks, eye energy attacks, mouth energy attacks...no expression
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There's an argument that they have different types of attacks?


I know they have different types of energy attacks and they also can tame the energy that they are shooting out. They have control of their KI, this shouldnt even be argued.


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I know they have different types of energy attacks and they also can tame the energy that they are shooting out. They have control of their KI, this shouldnt even be argued.
stick out tongue Learn to read between the lines carver.


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stick out tongue Learn to read between the lines carver.


LOL, whatever. laughing

I have many showings throughout DBZ that I can use to prove you wrong.


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LOL, whatever. laughing

I have many showings throughout DBZ that I can use to prove you wrong.
huh Again carver learn to read between the lines. I never said they didn't have different types. But it's not like they are very diverse or anything either.


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huh Again carver learn to read between the lines. I never said they didn't have different types. But it's not like they are very diverse or anything either.


Why arent they? Frieza rapped Goku up in a ball of telekinetic energy that stopped him from moving.

eek!

Vegeta shot a blast at Goku and Goku absorbed the entire blast with a wave of his hands (when they were both fighting as Super Sayains 2's). Super buu shot a blast that only tracked none super humans. Goku stopped an erupting Volcanoe just by screaming. Hell, frieza alone used his KI as TK throughout his battle with Goku, lifting large a** mountains, throwing it at him.


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Why arent they? Frieza rapped Goku up in a ball of telekinetic energy that stopped him from moving.
You act like every fighter can do that...

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Vegeta shot a blast at Goku and Goku absorbed the entire blast with a wave of his hands (when they were both fighting as Super Sayains 2's).
Filler. And one time ability that is not part of his power set.

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Super buu shot a blast that only tracked none super humans.
No he didn't. He just shot off a whole lot of beams. A lot of those blasts didn't hit anything. And they also went for Tien, and Chiaotzu who dodged them.

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Goku stopped an erupting Volcanoe just by screaming.
When?


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You act like every fighter can do that...

Filler. And one time ability that is not part of his power set.

No he didn't. He just shot off a whole lot of beams. A lot of those blasts didn't hit anything. And they also went for Tien, and Chiaotzu who dodged them.

When?


They can; it was KI that frieza used to do that.

He did it once, I'm pretty sure he can do it again. Me and you see the anime different anyway. I think you all dont want to accept some of the things in the anime because it would help a lot of people arguments about some of the battles on the board with people going against DBZ fighters.

Those beams was moving in angles following people. It went for tien and chiaotzu because they are humans.

During the frieza fight. After frieza shot all of those finger blast at goku, a volcano erupted and Goku said his speech and screamed and the Volcanoe stopped erupting and the smoke disappeared and the sky became clear.


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They can; it was KI that frieza used to do that.

He did it once, I'm pretty sure he can do it again. Me and you see the anime different anyway. I think you all dont want to accept some of the things in the anime because it would help a lot of people arguments about some of the battles on the board with people going against DBZ fighters.

Those beams was moving in angles following people. It went for tien and chiaotzu because they are humans.

During the frieza fight. After frieza shot all of those finger blast at goku, a volcano erupted and Goku said his speech and screamed and the Volcanoe stopped erupting and the smoke disappeared and the sky became clear.
And? Chiaotzu has used ki to use tk and telepathy. Buu uses ki to transmute thing. One person doing something doesn't mean they all can.

The anime puts in a whole lot of things that don't make any sense. Or to add more time to the episode. Like the whole Ginyu Force/Gokou fight you like to talk about. Only was blast is actually ever fired in that fight. But they have Gokou in the anime dodging so fast he can't be seen moving. Which contradicts the whole fight scene in the manga. It's not just DBZ anime either. Naruto, or any other manga/anime is the same way.. It's also not like DBZ has any quantifiable feats really.

Buu was controlling them also. The blasts didn't hit Mr. Satan because Buu didn't want to kill him. And you said they went after non-super humans. Tien and Chiaotzu are super human.

erm And that makes any sense how? Gokou and Freeza are fighting around lava erupting all over but no, Gokou is going to stop his fight and stop a volcano....


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And? Chiaotzu has used ki to use tk and telepathy. Buu uses ki to transmute thing. One person doing something doesn't mean they all can.

The anime puts in a whole lot of things that don't make any sense. Or to add more time to the episode. Like the whole Ginyu Force/Gokou fight you like to talk about. Only was blast is actually ever fired in that fight. But they have Gokou in the anime dodging so fast he can't be seen moving. Which contradicts the whole fight scene in the manga. It's not just DBZ anime either. Naruto, or any other manga/anime is the same way.. It's also not like DBZ has any quantifiable feats really.

Buu was controlling them also. The blasts didn't hit Mr. Satan because Buu didn't want to kill him. And you said they went after non-super humans. Tien and Chiaotzu are super human.

erm And that makes any sense how? Gokou and Freeza are fighting around lava erupting all over but no, Gokou is going to stop his fight and stop a volcano....


I agree, cant use another person feat to aid someone else.

Dont argue with me about what the writer of DBZ allowed the anime to have in it. He approved it so you all might want to send him a letter asking him why he allowed them to do what they did and move so fast? From what I heard, he liked and AGREED with what he saw.

I dont even know why we are discussing buu attack because if it is anything what you say it is, there would have still been humans on the planet.

confused I dont know what part you are talking about. Goku said a speech to frieza about frieza not being able to stop him and saying that he was frieza nightmare, etc... and then he screamed and the volcanoe went out and he cleared the of smoke, etc...


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Dont argue with me about what the writer of DBZ allowed the anime to have in it. He approved it so you all might want to send him a letter asking him why he allowed them to do what they did and move so fast? From what I heard, he liked and AGREED with what he saw.
huh Allowing? He really had no say in what they put. Liking what they put doesn't mean anything...heck Akira probably thinks HE put it in his manga when watching it. Akira liked the Bardock movie also. That's why he put Bardock in a flashback. That's why generally the Bardock movie is the only movie considered canon. But I guess the anime changing things automatically makes that much more canon. I guess Future Trunks wasn't really super saiyan before Gohan died. Or ssj and ssj3 aren't far off in power because Gokou was able to fight Kid Buu at ssj and then at ssj3 was still only able to go toe to toe with Kid Buu. Tien must also be stronger than base Future Trunks at the end of the Cell saga.....cause Movie 9 Trunks has to go ssj to beat him.

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[BI dont even know why we are discussing buu attack because if it is anything what you say it is, there would have still been humans on the planet. [/B]
Sure there would...because it's not like you can't see the whole planet from up there. And it's not like he specifically didn't hit Mr. Satan because Fat Buu wouldn't let him...


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huh Allowing? He really had no say in what they put. Liking what they put doesn't mean anything...heck Akira probably thinks HE put it in his manga when watching it. Akira liked the Bardock movie also. That's why he put Bardock in a flashback. That's why generally the Bardock movie is the only movie considered canon. But I guess the anime changing things automatically makes that much more canon. I guess Future Trunks wasn't really super saiyan before Gohan died. Or ssj and ssj3 aren't far off in power because Gokou was able to fight Kid Buu at ssj and then at ssj3 was still only able to go toe to toe with Kid Buu. Tien must also be stronger than base Future Trunks at the end of the Cell saga.....cause Movie 9 Trunks has to go ssj to beat him.

Sure there would...because it's not like you can't see the whole planet from up there. And it's not like he specifically didn't hit Mr. Satan because Fat Buu wouldn't let him...


He had plenty of say since he passed his manga along so that they can copy from it. He gave them rights kind of like Marvel gave Disney rights. We really dont know how powerful Tien was during that time we saw him. He might was>>Trunks since we all know Tien live and thrive off of training, that is just who he is.

Goku did 50 times better against Kid buu than what SS3 Goku did. Hell, Goku as Super Saiyain2 knew that he wasnt able to do much against buu while Super saiyan3 Goku admitted that he could have killed Kid buu during the beginning of the fight.

It was stated that all the humans were dead numerous of times after that attack. That attack killed everyone and there is no reason to think otherwise. Why would they show every room, house, tunnel, etc... to prove that everyone died when words are so much easier.


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He had plenty of say since he passed his manga along so that they can copy from it. He gave them rights kind of like Marvel gave Disney rights. We really dont know how powerful Tien was during that time we saw him. He might was>>Trunks since we all know Tien live and thrive off of training, that is just who he is.
Akira has stated he didn't even know who Broli was...
You're really going to say that Tien was more powerful than Trunks..... Tien is like my favorite character and even I won't say that. I don''t even believe the Daizenshuu saying that Tien knows Kaioken, and when Trunks first appeared to kill Metal Freeza was as strong as Vegeta...

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Goku did 50 times better against Kid buu than what SS3 Goku did. Hell, Goku as Super Saiyain2 knew that he wasnt able to do much against buu while Super saiyan3 Goku admitted that he could have killed Kid buu during the beginning of the fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1bY3FMlPKA SSJ2 Gokou in the anime was able to hurt Kid Buu... And Gokou said he could kill Buu if he powered up fully. Which kinda doesn't make it true. As Kid Buu wasn't getting hurt at all by anything Gokou did...nor was Kid Buu really trying. Not to mention they constantly underrated Kid Buu's power.

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It was stated that all the humans were dead numerous of times after that attack. That attack killed everyone and there is no reason to think otherwise. Why would they show every room, house, tunnel, etc... to prove that everyone died when words are so much easier.
Sarcasm carver... Buu killed everybody, but they weren't some special human seeking beams. Buu controlled the beams. It's the reason it didn't kill Mr. Satan. And you can see everyone from Kami's lookout. That's why he walked around it first.


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Akira has stated he didn't even know who Broli was...
You're really going to say that Tien was more powerful than Trunks..... Tien is like my favorite character and even I won't say that. I don''t even believe the Daizenshuu saying that Tien knows Kaioken, and when Trunks first appeared to kill Metal Freeza was as strong as Vegeta...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1bY3FMlPKA SSJ2 Gokou in the anime was able to hurt Kid Buu... And Gokou said he could kill Buu if he powered up fully. Which kinda doesn't make it true. As Kid Buu wasn't getting hurt at all by anything Gokou did...nor was Kid Buu really trying. Not to mention they constantly underrated Kid Buu's power.

Sarcasm carver... Buu killed everybody, but they weren't some special human seeking beams. Buu controlled the beams. It's the reason it didn't kill Mr. Satan. And you can see everyone from Kami's lookout. That's why he walked around it first.


Why would he know who Broli is when Broli is based off of a movie and it had nothing to do with Akira. Akira didnt write brolly but he wrote almost EVERYTHING that happened on the show. Two different things.

I didnt look at the you tube scan yet, I'm about to though and I will post another reply.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic but you are throwing a lot of things out of the window. How could buu guide the beams when he wasnt even looking down at the planet? I agree, he set it up so that it wouldnt kill Satan or the dog but how could he see every human on the planet while shotting the blast, it doesnt make sense.


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Why would he know who Broli is when Broli is based off of a movie and it had nothing to do with Akira. Akira didnt write brolly but he wrote almost EVERYTHING that happened on the show. Two different things.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic but you are throwing a lot of things out of the window. How could buu guide the beams when he wasnt even looking down at the planet? I agree, he set it up so that it wouldnt kill Satan or the dog but how could he see every human on the planet while shotting the blast, it doesnt make sense.
The same people that did the movies did the filler arcs, and the filler fight scenes....Akira didn't do any of them... Hence the point..

No I was being sarcastic. stick out tongue

confused Because you can see all of the planet, and everything on it from Kami's lookout. He walked around it, looked at everyone, and then fired the beams. And he fired way more than he needed.....He had already killed like 2/3rd of the planet anyway before he became Super Buu...


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The same people that did the movies did the filler arcs, and the filler fight scenes....Akira didn't do any of them... Hence the point..

No I was being sarcastic. stick out tongue

confused Because you can see all of the planet, and everything on it from Kami's lookout. He walked around it, looked at everyone, and then fired the beams. And he fired way more than he needed.....He had already killed like 2/3rd of the planet anyway before he became Super Buu...


So Super buu has Xray Vision? confused


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So Super buu has Xray Vision? confused
It would be telescopic.....but no...

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/drago...v41/c002/5.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/drago...v41/c002/6.html

What do you think the point of walking around was? From Kami's lookout one can see the whole planet...


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