Darkseid, Cyborg Superman, Imperiex probes, Green Lanterns, SBP, the list goes on
When he fought the earth elementals, he threatened to punch the earth to pieces and they backed down (considering they embodied the earth, they knew he wasn't bluffing). He smashed an asteroid easily that was stated to be capable of "demolishing the earth". When he fought Zod their blows tore apart the planet they were fighting on. Just a few examples.
And neither of these characters are Goku. What's your point?
Argument from art style is completely pointless. Just because it's drawn that way doesn't mean anything.
Mr. Satan (who is depicted in the series as a bumbling buffoon with no powers) is drawn the same way:
Quantify "high speeds". Just because it's blurry doesn't mean anything. Normal humans all the way to the end of the manga can percieve DBZ characters fighting.
When Goku destroys a planet, call me.
Otherwise I can just point out examples of his heat vision affecting planet - destroying beings.
look no matter how much complaining back and forth goes on here its quite obvious that no one will ever agree on who would win to many die hard fans for superman and to many die hard fans for Db/Z/GT both superheros have their high and low feats. so setting asside my biased opinion towards superman, goku is quite strong i think if he fought superman he would be a very tough opponent the fight could go either way, sure goku could use Kryptonite but who "universe" are they playing in? DB? or DC universe. also keep in mind if superman is losing or going to lose he does whats called sun dipping which gives him extreme power much like goku's SSj3 (or what ever) if it came down to brute force i could see them being a good match but for blast attack sure superman has heat vision but that doesnt mean goku cant dodge the attack, does superman fire heat vision at super speeds? the comics (as far as i know havent illistrated this point),on the other hand superman has been known to take heavy fire from engery blasts and nuclear explosions and such. the only way you could really find out is if a none biased person went straight to the scource of each character and took all the "pro's and con's and made an unbiased comic illistrating the two of them fighting.
Superman's heat vision fires at light speed. And Superman doesn't dodge stuff because he has no reason to for the most part. It's not going to kill him. And the things that could possible kill him are going to destroy something so he has to take them also. Also it's a neutral universe where both there powers work but it's neither DC nor DB. And Gokou is strong sure but he's not in the realm of Superman with pure physical strength and if Superman wasn't acting like he always does as goes down to other people's level and let everything hit him Gokou would be out extremely fast.
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well if its fired at light speed i could see how he could use it to his advantage against goku and your right one of the main reasons superman gets beat up is because he is such a boy scout he would rather lower himself to his villans level then run the risk of hurting the people he cares for (humans lois, ect..) there are times when he says he will go full out and when he does he completely pulverises the villian he is fighting but i dont think goku would go down with out a fight or other way around.
I dont get what you mean, when a blast hits another fighter in DBZ (Goku vs Vegeta, for example) the explosion which is easily self procalimed capable of destroying a planet, doesnt EXPLODE to this magitude.
An example: Goku's Kamehameha wave against Cell (IT + blast) Cell said he wasn't going to fire because it would destroy the Earth, yet he did, and everyone around knew this blast would destroy the Earth. Yet, when he fired at Cell, people around were only amazed at the lights and blast power, nothing more. The Earth itself didn't suffer any damage, yet this blast was capable of destroying the Earth.
This same thing repeats on several ocations, and in this fight.
One time, when Goku stated that Cell's first Kamehameha would destory the Earth comepltely. He had to jump to avoid this. He later asked Cell why he would do that, and Cell answered that jumping would be Goku's only choice no matter what. Else the planet would have been destoryed, yet nothing happened to the surroundings.
Another, the first Kamehameha Gohan fired at Cell, which prettymuch overall destroyed him (though not completely) I believe its safe to say that these two blasts where more powerful than any Goku or Cell fired at their fight, yet they even colided and did nothing to the surroundings.
I would post all these scans but I can't, since I'm not allowed here :/
The logic of a blast getting fired <nx not causing MAJRO havoc and damaged "proving" its power, can't really be applied, as you can see in these cases. And even so, the final Kamehameha wave between Gohan and Cell, shook the entire Earth.
Oh this should be intresting, just for those fans out there. Akira Toriyama redrew the four last pages of DBZ manga, and made new covers for each and every one of the covers:
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The last image of vegeta it is said to say something along the lines of: "someday I'll be superior to you, Kakarrot!"
"These blasts are capable of destroying the Earth, but don't damage the planet that much."
"The Earth itself didn't suffer any damage, yet this blast was capable of destroying the Earth."
Yeah... if it was really that capable other than a core disruption then it should have damaged the planet... but it didn't. Don't you find that suspicious?
The blasts didn't come in direct contacts with the Earth, just like the ones you claim didn't do anything to the Earth's surface. If they would, they would have destroyed Earth, but they didn't.
This is why that theory can't be used, because you can't say a blast isn't capable of destroying the planet because it didn't cause any damage to it. Ofcourse it dind't cause any damage, it never came in direct contact with it. Unless you guys suggest everyone of the Z fighters, including the ones firing the waves, are all lying or miscalculating? I really doubt it.
Master Roshi could vaporize a moon, and it was INSTANT, to say Goku can't do this with the Earth and resist such attacks is kind of foolish in my opinion, specially with what I said before, where Kid Buu fired a FAST blast to the Earth and it shatered it in an instant, yet he Fired a Kamehameha (which required more charging, and ofcrouse a Kamehameha wave is far stronger than a simple, fast blast)at Goku and Goku diodn't even flinch. Goku can EASILY withstand blasts that can vaporize the planet.
Actually that's the very thing we can claim. Since it means you have nothing concrete to prove that they could.
They could be miscalculating in the midst of battle. Lotta pressure during those tense moments.
And it's foolish to think that another character can do something that he has not proven to do, especially without any concrete evidence of it. Cause we all know that any person who fights another has all the powers and abilities of them. Like Wolverine can shoot webs, turn big and gree and has carbondonium tenticles. Because he's fought Spider-Man, The hulk, and Omega Red respectively.
Why is it that all the debaters on the DBZ side get banned for vulgar things but if the others on the superman side do the same no 1 cares.
Double standards..much?
Superman is just overall superior to Goku, he's stronger faster and more durable. Although Goku has more fighting skill, Supes has more experience.(people often get the 2 confused)
^^Prove it. Goku has faster fighting speed, smarter at fighting and can bust REAL planets. The only planets Supes busts are DEAD planets, when Supes destroys a planet with his heat blast then tell me
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