do you mean holding back is a martial arts or combat skill?
pressure points isn't the only martial arts in the whole wide world.
you didn't asnwer my question, how rare is that pressure point scene?
1 in a 100000000000000000000000000000000000000?
goku is using a martial arts every arc. read the manga again and look at his punches and kicks. it has styles......
it's very different to superman, who just swing his feet and fist with no styles.
It shows his fighting ability. Being able to measure how much power it takes to put your opponent down is skill. He even measures the exact melting point of his opponent before using his Heat Vision.
But it's a skill I've seen Supes use, while Goku hasn't at all.
Has Goku ever used a pressure point?
Yeah, but Kid Buu knows no MAs, yet he was able to fight with Goku. Vegeta has no MAs back ground, and like Buu, he was also able to fight with Goku. Supes uses his skills when they're needed to get the job done.
yet, goku is using martial arts every chapter while supes is so rare.
answer my question, how many times did superman use that pressure point? 1 in a 10000000000000000?
it was mentioned in the manga that vegeta and freeza's men are all soldiers and they are trained to conquer planets. in other words, vegeta has a different fighting skills.
majin-boo is million or billion of yrs old and destroying anything on his path, he has skills plus he can learn any skills by watching it. i said read dragon ball manga again.
Last edited by nij-ayias on Nov 23rd, 2007 at 08:36 PM
So because Goku has never been said to use pressure points, Superman is automatically the better fighter? Your sense of logic is frickin amazing.
Holding back is not fighting skill, that makes no sense at all.
As for Buu, I take it you are talking about Kid Buu. First of all, Kid Buu is stronger, faster, and more powerful than him, and is capable of doing things like extending himself and rolling into a ball during H2H, that is why he couldn't beat him.
As for Vegeta, Vegeta was trained in Saiyan combat martial arts dude.
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Since when has Batman been the god of all martial arts. Goku has been training in martial arts none stop since he was 2. He has fought fighters from all over the universe. Batman and WW dont have his experience, they are great fighters in the DC verse but compared to Goku they are shit
I never said anything about fair, Goku's skill is what allows him to do things like fly, and shoot energy and move as fast as he does. It's his powers source. Superman's is not based off of skill.
Way to miss the point. And doesn't he need the tail to transform into Ozaru form? The tail that he no longer has?
Red sunlight was retconned to only locking Superman at his current state. This lock goes away once exposed to yellow sunlight again.
Wonder Woman does have vast superspeed, the whole her blocking things with her braclets at super speeds is an iconic thing about her. She gone on races with flashes and kept up, I think it's fair to say she has super human reactions.
Please quit commiting the sham distinction fallacy. I'm sure that a guy who can vibrate in place so that attacks go through him and that he appears invisible, who can fight some all around the world in moments, fly to jupiter in under four minutes wouldn't have problems moving other parts of his body faster than your average human.
Quit making it sound like Superman has no skill at all. He still moves faster than goku. who has not proven to be able to move at the speeds superman has been proven to be able to.
All you see from goku is your basic punches and kicks and shoot the shit out of something with ki.
Superman has more training than Goku. Goku was only taught martial arts by his grandad every thing after that was related to power, speed and what but not actually h2h skills. In dbz he uses the same moves when he fights, Goku just relied on his power along with the limited h2h skills he knew. Superman has trained with and been taught h2h skills by WonderWoman, Batman and Mongul. Either way its irrelevant in this fight as h2h skill means nothing when your opponent is 1000x faster than you and one million times stronger. Fuk Goku must be the most over rated anime character ever.
She wasn't flying, she was running at approaching lightspeeed and reacting to obstacles at those speeds. If she can move her limbs at lightspeed and think at those speeds maybe she can fight at them too.
You might as well say Flash can't fast because his high speed feats come from running.
To suggest Superman doesn't have super human speed is idiotic. He's gone and fetched things from the other side of the world travelling so fast people standing next to him haven't noticed.
Green Arrow in the JLA moonbase was talking to Superman who was helping out on the farm in kansas on a computer screen. When he said something Superman didn't like, Superman appeared in front of Green Arrow instantly. Also during that same instant he changed from his farmers clothes into his costume.
He would of needed vast superspeed to do that. A person with normal reactions could never do that. Unless you think a normal person could travel from Earth to the watch tower at faster than light speeds, enter the watch tower, without crashing through a wall, safely navigate his way round the corridors at those speeds then come to a stop in front of Green arrow all while changing your outfit.
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Last edited by Galvaclaw on Nov 24th, 2007 at 11:59 AM
i didn't commit any fallacy, how sure are you? if you're sure prove it not speculate.
i didn't suggest that superman has no skill but what i'm trying to point is, how rare did superman use that skill you're talking about? 1 in a 1000000000000
still he can be knock down with slower opponents
it's not just basic punches, it's flurry of punches and kicks with style. not like superman
the ki you're talking about can destroy a planet, solar system and dimension.
it was superman that relied on power not goku.
it's funny that the result of training you're talking about didn't show-up in infinite crisis and up up and away storyline.
and batman dodge lasers too.
still,where is the laser blocking reflexes you're talking about when wonder woman fights slow opponents?
you said maybe, which means you're not sure of it because wonder woman didn't use any of that reflexes/agility in fighting.
i wouldn't say that but DC/MARVEL characters were only super fast when there were no fights involved.
i didn't suggest that, but superman lacks skill to do it or he can't apply it.
since when did he apply that kind of speed in fighting or should i say, is that fighting?
i know, i know but still that doesn't involve reflexes and agility or should i say fighting.
Last edited by nij-ayias on Nov 24th, 2007 at 05:45 PM
Reflexes is how fast someone can react. Superman can perform complex maneuvers that couldn't be performed by someone who could think 1000 times the speed of an average person.
Fine, I'm loathe to do this because your deranged idea no american comic character has super speed, but here:
There super fast combat. After images, speed lines, phasing through attacks. All super fast combat techniques.
But I'm not sure why I'm having to do this. Haven't you seen smallville? Where every time clark uses his superspeed time grinds to a halt while clark moves normally.
He uses his super speed when he's fighting super fast opponents. Just because it isn't drawn with blurry afterimages and speed lines (and as Galvaclaw showed, sometimes it is) doesn't mean it's not fast. Show me one feat from any DBZ character that comes even close to Superman fighting Wonder Woman all around the world and to the sun and back in 1 minute and 54 seconds, or searching every building and area in a 200 - mile radius in seconds.
Superman changed his symbol to black for while to morns the millions who died during Our worlds at war. I grabbed those pages from the first post of a 70 page respect thread I could provide countless others. Since Infinite crisis Superman has used super human speed to fight many of his foes. Subjekt 17, Arion, Triumph and many others. I know, I have every issue since then.
He fought three people during Infinite crisis. All three of them has Superspeed even Mongul. One of them has even speed blitzed multiple flashes at the same time. Earth 2 Superman is fast enough to casually drop Zoom. Zoom is vastly faster than Goku.
Superman has never lost a fight to someone fast because he didn't use superspeed. If someone uses it he strikes back faster and harder.
Now you tell me something. Superman is stronger compared to Goku than Goku is to you. Able to lift near infinite weight versus Goku who can at most lift a few thousand tons. Where does Goku's dubious skill come to play? Can a martial artist beat up a tank?
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