Silver surfer, everytime. To much raw power. I dont put many characters over him. The best fight against the surfer is thor and thats due to them almost being equals in power (give the slight nod to silver surfer).
More power doesn't necessarily equal win.
Supes wins this fight everytime because of his combat speed.
He simply combos SS to ko at the start of the fight. Thus SS would never get a chance to make a move.
Superman has the greatest combat speed in comics second to Flash.
SS has absolutely none. And flight speed has nothing to do with reflexes coupled with first moment acceleration.
Superman dont have the greatest combat speed in comics, if you were to provide scans you could only show me some fast movements with hands (something that wolverine and spiderman has done on many of occasions. Not on superman level but moved quiet fast.) and you have flight speed, thats all you can show me. He had 2 good showings and that was when he was fighting imperex (even though spiderman did that same thing to hulk) and his best showing was when he was fighting mongul, THATS IT. Now when you show me him winking out like goku, punching from every angle, then I would consider that combat speed but until then, him and surfer possess no combat speed but flight speed = surfer>>>>>>>>>>superman.
By you implying that Superman doesn't have combat speed really renders all your posts void. Only a fool would argue with you against this obvious fact. How come you don't know Superman? Have you read his respect thread? How many Superman comics have you read (and don't lie)?
But for the sake of argument I'll be a fool and bite. Combat speed includes instant flight speed (and not flight speed obtained after the first second), reaction speed, and body movement speed (like swinging and dodging by moving body out of the way). Superman has literally hundreds of feats that proves his combat speed is only second to Flash's. It's one of his main powers in his power set. Otherwise he wouldn't be able to pick barrages of bullets out of the air like they're standing still in the air or perform other similar feats that's well beyond what nearly all comic book characters has shown in their history.
P.S. Your only two times statement deserves one of these:
Fact is that Surfer is capable at matching anything Superman can do speed-wise and amping beyond any of Clark's abilities as long as there is comic energies available for Surfer to convert.
He can also amp his body armor and durabilty at will to the level of cosmic entities.
Surfer can increase his strength levels to match and go beyond Superman.
It is also fact that Surfer is far more resiliant that Superman as he is capable to true self sustenance anywhere.
But the real issue here is that Surfer probably won't even have to bother do any of the above vs Superman because of Surfer's insane level of matter conversion abilities alone.
He would most likely simply scan Superman to see how his body works, detecting exactly how his Kryptonian makeup converts energy for instance. Drain him of Solar energy altogether, or even screw with his bodies abilities by blocking Superman's absorbtion capabilities.
Superman has no chance versus a truly all out Surfer.
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I agree all out surfer would beat supes
But something i dont see eye to eye on.........
Amping strength...will increase his durability...I.M.O surfer is not boosting his armor and or durability...and strength......strength will boost his durability
I agree surfer can match any speed feat by superman..or better..Flying...
But according to this site...he has no speedblitz feats on panel(you might argue a straight line speed boost) but not a one panel multitasking feat..I.E supes appearing 5 times in one panel.flying..punching,shooting heat vision and frost breath...at the same time!
Surfer has not one speedblitz feat that i have ever seen(please show me a scan)
I agree once Surfer finds supes weakness..its over
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AH HA!
Darthgoober has brought to my attention a certain amount of scans that are important to this debate and particularly my post...Thanks Darthgoober
For over a year i have called for a on panel feat from surfer that would at least give him a speedblitz feat...now its not throwing punches and using energy like superman..but i think its a good one
Until more scans are provided showing Surfer far exceeds Superman's dozen or so speed feats - combat/reaction timing can only go to Supes. Surfer still has matter manipulation which is crucial if he can actually uses it in time. 6-7/10 for superman just my opinion due to speed and force.
False. SS can't match Clark in any speed except flight speed.
That means SS won't be able to react to his blitz. There is no comic anywhere that shows SS with the ability to be able to react to Superman level speeds. So by people giving him that ability just because he can travel through space at FTL speeds is faulty. For Reed
Richards and the entire FF can control a ship traveling FTL but their reactions is only human speed (peak human at best).
Now SS has more than enough power to beat or kill Superman.
It is just that he won't get the chance to.
One of many. Surfer's Cosmic awareness gives him awareness of any and all energy enhanced perceptions that surround him. Surfer was even able to detect the presenses of anything from regular humans up to even up to higher level Cosmic entities within any particular universes.
He has also used this same ability to read and detect life energies better than the most poweful psychics...and can do so far beyond even subatomic and genetic levels.
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the speed he amps through his board...he can do with with ANY of his abilities. that would include speed....again, he only needs energy sources to do so. and he CAN do it BEYOND Superman levels. Either you are a Superman fanboy, or you dont know what the hell you are talking about.
And again he won't even have to touch Superman physically, he could just drain his solar energies....or even easier screw with his Kryptonian makeup for any number of desired effects.
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Feb 2nd, 2008 08:35 PM
You dont know much about Silver Surfer.
