I'm in no way supporting Quan's use of a low end feat against Supes, but it's not as if he's the only one doing it in this thread. The whole reason that scan got brought up was because of Supes's fans continuously bringing up the BP armbar as proof that Surfer has no levels of super speed in combat despite repeatedly posted scans showing his blocking energy blast after they're fired, tracking/responding to an opponent in mid teleportation, fighting at highspeeds against Deathurge and Nova, and using super speed against the Hulk while OFF his board as well as numerous scans demonstrating his high levels of mental processing speed.
I'm not defending quan's argument but he's not the only one that should be reprimanded if that is what's called for in this particular situation.
I think with Quan it was a cumilative thing building over several threads that just happened to reach a boiling point in this thread. Surfer wins anyway.
Okay this is getting derailed, but as far as quan goes the guy is a fanboy troll pure and simple. He ignores high feats, low balls characters he doesnt like any constantly overlooks feats and works with a wonky double standard debate system. He actually believs Thanos would take Odin,PC Superman,Guardian SMP,Despero,Hankshaw/HP Doomsday and just about every character who isnt abstract. Even then I bet he would only give Galactus a 6/5 over Thanos....this is the guy who also said SS could take a few from SMP all in a effort to empower Thanos once again. He is bias...and even though its just a comic book forum we cant have a bunch of bias fanboys spamming every damn thread/topic otherwise this place will just turn into herochat.
The problem with this thread is the in the matter people think SS would beat Supes. No one has really argued that SS wouldnt take the majority and we all know the main reason is because of Supes weakness that can be exploited....the issue is that some peeps r coming in with some incredibly lame BS claims with almost no backing. All the suddent SS can h2h at high speeds, all the sudden hs is physically stronger...all the sudden he can out brawl supes or out fight him when in reality the only reason he wins is because of K-nite/red solar energy.
I realize that. Quan gets into trouble more often than anyone so I understand his being addressed first and foremost, but in this particular situation he's not the only one guilty of the offense in question. If the Supes scan in question is being directly barred from use then the same should be done in regards to the BP armbar incident IMO.
And just so no one thinks I am, I'm not criticizing Bada for not mentioning other the other members. I know quan's caused problems before and I understand his being the one who was addressed. I was just pointing out that IMO if bringing up Supes's low end showings warrants a warning then the same should apply for Surfer's low end showings.
No one has brought up SS low showings...were all jsut saying he isnt going to out-brawl supes in h2h confrontation cause his battle speed isnt near his.SS still wins but not for some made up reasons some fans have claimed.
I don't think anyone's claimed that Surfer's a super speed h2h fighter just that he can react to Supes's speed and I've only seen a couple claim that he's stronger or a supperior fighter. What I have seen a lot of is claims that Surfer has NO actual superspeed or reactions sufficient to deal with Supes despite the fact that numerous instances of Surfer doing things that would be impossible for someone without high levels of superspeed/reactions.
What's more, the claims that Supes's speed is too much for Surfter to handle are being made without a single scan being produced to establish Supes's blitzing capabilities.
I haven't seen scans of him actually blitzing any of those guys. I mean I may have overlooked them because I haven't been online enough to follow the thread too closely and I don't like reading back more than a page or three but to my knowledge no such scans were ever posted.
Not that it matters but that writer is way the hell off on the speed. An M-60 fires a .308 round which is around 2700/fps or around 1840 miles per hour..
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