Unless I'm mistaken Bada said something about how he'd hand out warnings for someone doing exactly what you did if he started getting reports for it the way he was getting reports for quan. But it's ok, I understand that you didn't realize you were breaking the rules at the time and I'm not holding it against you. I don't know why it's even still being discussed.
The difference of course being that you just showed scans of agile guys staying ahead of a lazers aim and in the scans I posted Surfer actually reacted to the blast's after they were fired.
Nope. Dodging a blast after it's fired is more impressive. There are guys walking around on the street in the real world that have successfully dove for cover while under fire from automatic weapons, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who can see that an in flight bullet is going to hit them and can lift something to block it or duck beneath it in response.
And where did you see me tell you what you meant?
NONE of those in anyway indicate how fast an "in character" blitz from Supes is.
And what issue is that last scan from?
Dude you're trippin, I never said that Surfer creates black holes more than Supes uses speed. I said that Supes almost never uses speed and then went on to give a quantifiable demonstration of Surfer's upper-limits for the tactic you attributed him. Supes never actually shatters planets and almost never goes all out but that's the strength level people talk about his using routinely whether his in thread opponent is Thor or Namor.
The black hole himself might not affect him, but a blast sufficient to create one would. Not saying that Surfer WOULD hit him with a blast that powerful, just that it's possible.
Well let's see....
A. Several energy manipulators with varying degrees of skill and power have successfully replicated K-nite in the past.
B. Radioactive Man successfully created K-Nite in JLA/Avengers.
C. Surfer's ability to manipulate energy>Radioactive Man's.
By the same token, you can't actually prove that Superman would one shot Wolverine because he's never done so, but every indication provided by comics certainly seems to lend credit to his being able to do so.
From what I've heard NO ONE understands it. It's effects vary from writer to writer and there hasn't been enough info provided on it to explain them(it's mostly supposition and such).
Besides you're overlooking the part where it's a self BFR.
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And the fact that blast of light and energy often reflect off Surfer's skin further supports his being unaffected by it since I'm pretty sure there've been instances of Supes's HV bouncing off mirrors and such.
Surfer doesn't need the healing/amping from the Sun, so he has no reason to spend time in the sun.
that said, he did once dive into one to "clear his mind" ... clearly there's no evidence that Surfer can at all be harmed by prolonged exposure to the intense heat of the Sun's core/atmosphere.
with all due respect, superman isn't in surfer's league at all.
true superman has the edge in fighting ability (since his comic is in a simpler world ) but at the end of the day, norrin's cosmic might and durability seal this.
"The Silver Surfer possesses vast superhuman strength, which rivals that of an enraged Savage Hulk. He can easily lift (press) well over 100 tons. When further Augmented with the Power Cosmic, The Silver Surfer's strength can reach infinite levels, enough physical strength to confront even Galactus."
Guys, I'm not sure what the problem is but this thread is getting closed soon. Low balling a character you're debating against is a weak strategy and isn't productive. I'm posting some Surfer feats.
I shouldn't have to post feats in a thread. Superman has a very long respect thread and is more accessible than SS. I suggest everybody stop the trolling and baiting. Warnings will be handed out and temp bans will happen to those who I've spoken with before.
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Guess what, the upper levels of thors strength is unknown ttoo and unlimited as well plus SS has virtually no strength feats to back up this claim or even put him on WW's level of strength. Narrative hyperbole doesnt cut the bill...we go by feats here. So with that ill present some feats to showcase Norins awesome durability:
the only way Superman's landing a "surprise" anything, is if he busts through the thread walls and into the Surfer vs Thor thread.
then, just maybe, he'll catch Surfer off-guard and land a punch (which obviously would cause Surfer to blast Superman back out of that thread and into the Rulk thread, where Superman gets turned into a slice of toast by a Rulk reality warping punch, then fed to squirrel girl, 'cos even Rulk needs to keep on the right side of Squirrel Girl).
i have no doubt that surfer can get cheap shotted/sucker punched, but the thing is.....can it even harm him?
the scan you posted (again) has context with it, and the fact that the scan directly proceeding it had norrin perfectly reconstituting himself
and the drax scan, that was norrin's first meeting with him and he believed they were on the same mission: find thanos. he didn't know that he would get suckerpunched by a supposed ally, then again, it's not like it did him any harm anyway.
Whether you hold it against anyone doesn't matter. YOU are NOT a MOD. Plus YOU are breaking the rules by continuing to discuss it.
So I'll drop it. Continue to discuss at your own peril.
Yes, because a scan with blasts of unproven speed and surfer dodging a singular beam is more impressive than a human dodging multiple beams from different point of origin. In one of the SS scans he was able to see his assailant. In another scan cap wasn't even looking at lasers that he was reflecting.
Not that it matters, if they are light speed, knowing where they were coming from wouldn't matter anyway.
It's certainly faster than your captain america(tops) level speed showings. Far far faster.
You were bringing it up as a tactic. Surfer doesn't do 90% of the stuff that's brought up on regular basis either.
And multiple planet shattering punches at ftl would ko surfer. Not saying that it would happen, but it's possible
ABC logic is not valid. Nice try though.
Why would I need to? Wolvie isn't in this thread.
Self bfr when himself and SS are both there and it can be returned from by Supes at any time?
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i think peopel are seriously underestimating supes here.
If you where to ask a normal guy ( in this case someone who doesnt read comics but know who both characters are)
who wud win in a fight between silver surfr or superman
they wud say Superman !!!!
I don't know about "wrecked," but I've long suspected his probable defeat was the real reason they didn't fight in their crossover, especially since Superman himself was impressed with the Surfer's power...
Superman: "You? You have such power?"
Impossible Man: "Trust me, Supes. He does."
In turn, how does Superman impress Norrin? With brains, not brawn.
The thing I don't like about T-vo is that it strikes me as a loophole closer. Ie, some writer(s) said, "For all Supes' power, he's too vulnerable in these areas. So let's close the gap with a new power."
I could be wrong, but that's my feeling about it. In any event, it certainly is not as "in-character" as superspeed.
Agreed.
Superman definitely trumps Surfer in recognizability (I think I'd read somewhere that the S shield is the 3rd most widely recognized symbol in the world) and popularity. He's been around longer and he's a much easier character to relate to. As artist Julie Bell once put it, the Surfer is a bit of an acquired taste.
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I’m not pretending to be a mod, you don’t have to be a mod to notice when a rule is broken. I honestly don’t know why you’re being so defensive, all I did was point out that there was a low end showing being used against Surfer that should be addressed. It was, you stopped, I’m happy, let’s move on.
I believe Bada said it best…
Your memory seems a little bit off because YOU were bringing up the tactic. Remember you said…
…thus establishing Surfer’s tactic to be blasting and Supes‘s to be punching(planet shattering punches right?). Then I said…
…to establish that Surfer’s maximum damage output for the tactics you ascribed to each fell in Surfer’s favor. I never said anything about him actually using a blackhole against Supes in battle
Indeed it is. I never claimed otherwise.
It’s no more ABC logic than the kind we use to decide who wins in a forum fight...
Thing’s been easily KO’d(K-nite’s been easily created) by people weaker than Superman(less proficient energy manipulators than Surfer) and Supes has easily KO’d people tougher than Thing(Surfer’s manipulated more complex energy than K-nite), thus Supes should easily KO the Thing(Surfer should easily be able to create K-nite).
In fact if we replaced the Thing’s name with Surfer’s, it would pretty much be the case you’re using to support the theory that Supes’s will be able to KO Surfer with punches.
Yep…
“Leaving the field Combatants who leave the field of combat on purpose forfeit the match. If they are removed from the arena against their will (being punched, thrown, teleported, etc.) and can make it back under their own power in a reasonable amount of time, then they are still in the fight. Obviously, if a combatant leaves the field and cannot return under their own power, then they have lost.”
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