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Wei Phoenix
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Originally posted by jedi90
hulk meets the definition "impossible to damage, wound." no one is saying he can't be beat.


He's been ko'd before and recently so I don't see how he meets the definition. Wolverine can even cut him. He bleeds, you don't bleed when you're invulnerable. Find one source that states one of his powers is invulnerability.


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Originally posted by jalek moye
the hulks fight isnt canon so it doesnt matter

And sentry didn't use speed on hulk, and well thor is slow to be honest


thor is not slow, last i checked he can move near light speed.

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thor is not slow, last i checked he can move near light speed.

he can't fight at the speed, he can use his hammer for light speed flight. But combat wise he's not much faster then hulk.


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He's been ko'd before and recently so I don't see how he meets the definition. Wolverine can even cut him. He bleeds, you don't bleed when you're invulnerable. Find one source that states one of his powers is invulnerability.


wolverine claws are adamantium, they can cut through anything. hulk heals instantly from the cuts so logan's fight was moot.

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Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He's been ko'd before and recently so I don't see how he meets the definition. Wolverine can even cut him. He bleeds, you don't bleed when you're invulnerable. Find one source that states one of his powers is invulnerability.


he meets the definition because hulk does not sustain damage. he..heals...instantly..... you are getting invulnerable and invincible confused.

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he can't fight at the speed, he can use his hammer for light speed flight. But combat wise he's not much faster then hulk.


Speaking of speed, how fast is superman?

if Thor moves NEAR the speed of light then how fast is Superman and "faster than a speeding bullet) is not an acceptable answer !!

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wolverine claws are adamantium, they can cut through anything. hulk heals instantly from the cuts so logan's fight was moot.


They can't cut through Cain nor his armor. He healed later, and he was ko'd so now what about his invulnerability?


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Speaking of speed, how fast is superman?

if Thor moves NEAR the speed of light then how fast is Superman and "faster than a speeding bullet) is not an acceptable answer !!


I know of one scan where he claims to go just a bit shy of the speed of light and his speed is actually shown. I will look for it.


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he meets the definition because hulk does not sustain damage. he..heals...instantly..... you are getting invulnerable and invincible confused.


Funny, last I checked Hulk is Highly resistant to damage. kinda makes you invulnerable doesn't it?

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he can't fight at the speed, he can use his hammer for light speed flight. But combat wise he's not much faster then hulk.


none of the characters fight at light speed. a majority of the time supes is not using superspeed.

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Funny, last I checked Hulk is Highly resistant to damage. kinda makes you invulnerable doesn't it?


No a lot of people are highly resistant, Superman is, but none of them are invulnerable. As shown adamantium can hurt him and so can Cain and Thor.

here are the pics of his speed.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/...ghtspeedot9.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/...htspeed2vm5.jpg


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No a lot of people are highly resistant, Superman is, but none of them are invulnerable. As shown adamantium can hurt him and so can Cain and Thor.

here are the pics of his speed.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/...ghtspeedot9.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/...htspeed2vm5.jpg


So according to your source vs Jedi90's Thor comment, it is determined that they are the same speed ...yes?

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Speaking of speed, how fast is superman?

if Thor moves NEAR the speed of light then how fast is Superman and "faster than a speeding bullet) is not an acceptable answer !!

supes is around light speed.

thor has reaction speed of around that level, but movement and fight speed are much lower then supermans


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They can't cut through Cain nor his armor. He healed later, and he was ko'd so now what about his invulnerability?


they have been shown to cut his armor to remove his helmet. i'll try to find the scan. you can be invulnerable and ko'd.

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So according to your source vs Jedi90's Thor comment, it is determined that they are the same speed ...yes?


No. Thor travels at light speed due to his hammer, Superman can move and fight at that level, if he couldn't then he would have "brake" extremely early when he wanted to stop flying.


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they have been shown to cut his armor to remove his helmet. i'll try to find the scan. you can be invulnerable and ko'd.


They have never cut his armor, and he has removed his helmet with strength, not the blade itself. Cain is invulnerable and he can be telepathically ko'd but not physically. You can't be physically ko'd and invulnerable. That's like saying Namor can drown in the Pacific Ocean.


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Originally posted by jalek moye
supes is around light speed.

thor has reaction speed of around that level, but movement and fight speed are much lower then supermans


Never been a big Thor fan but even if Supermans faster, how would Super man beat him?

To whip Thor, youll need more than strength and last I checked Super man is weak against Lighting...the same lightning from Thors hammer save the fact that it's magic but it is what it is.

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Never been a big Thor fan but even if Supermans faster, how would Super man beat him?

To whip Thor, youll need more than strength and last I checked Super man is weak against Lighting...the same lightning from Thors hammer save the fact that it's magic but it is what it is.


No one said he was beating him although Cain beat him with strength alone.


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They have never cut his armor, and he has removed his helmet with strength, not the blade itself. Cain is invulnerable and he can be telepathically ko'd but not physically. You can't be physically ko'd and invulnerable. That's like saying Namor can drown in the Pacific Ocean.


From what I read Cains armor cant be cut by Wolverine but im sure its happened in an issue at least once. But that's writers discretion.

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Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
They have never cut his armor, and he has removed his helmet with strength, not the blade itself. Cain is invulnerable and he can be telepathically ko'd but not physically. You can't be physically ko'd and invulnerable. That's like saying Namor can drown in the Pacific Ocean.


wait a minute, you're saying supes is invulnerable but hulk isn't yet supes has been maimed, ko'd, and killed. hulk does not sustain damage and his durability is up there with supes. it also goes hand in hand with his rage.

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