not true, hollows which have multiple lives are taken out by single kidou or attacks. your acting like alucard IS mutlpiple people. he is one person with the souls of others imprisoned. he isnt like a cat with 9 lives. if that were the case then why was ANY1 like the warwolf dude or father anderson a match or threat to him even after havign helena's nail?? i mean they cud just keep stabbing him and he woudnt die. it is strongly implied that by destroying alucard's heart, one can permanently destroy him. that is what rachel van hellsing is supposed to have done to imprison him forever and that is what walter was trying to do and almost did. ichigo will destroy him. he doesnt have a THOUSAND LIVES literally, i.e. unless you kill him a thousand times hell still survive despite the attack being destroying his throat and busting the galaxy. that is just stupid.
I don't know how strong Ichigo is, I recently watched the first episode of Bleach, but is he strong enough to beat Alucard?
-He has the ability to move faster than that can be seen
-He mocks Sett, the Egyptian God of Death, for his weakness!
-Able to cover a whole city by his powers
-Capable of summoning an army of dead, which includes the Hellhounds
-Battles at elemental levels (As against Incognito)
-Superhuman strength, speed, telekeinesis, teleportation, hypnosis, mind reading (He can read his moves too )
-A certain degree of immortality (Are you really thinking he wouldn't be able to hit him even ONCE during the fights?
actually he is like a cat with 9 lives except with alucard its 9 thousand lives
the reason why Anderson with the nail was a threat, was because alucard went to restriction level zero.
That was a gamble (at that is the point where he is most vunerable - to what would normally hurt vampires, like destorying the heart, as he said) but it would end up as a stalemate otherwise.
With risk comes reward. He becomes vunerable, but he becomes very powerful in the proces.
untrue, he can summon the souls of OTHERS as familiars but he cant use them to ADD to his souls. i have read the manga and NOWHERE is it implied that alucard has multiple LIVES. he has just never been killed, it isnt rebirth type thing.
and that changes anything HOW. if you have multiple lives it wont matter. fact is, he DOESNT, and just has one rather resiliant life.
not true, if that were the case then WHY did he go there? why did he go to restriction level zero? he cud just have stayed normal and never gotten killed and anderson would inevitably lose. fact is, your making NO sense. it has nothing to do with him having multiple lives and everything with him having ONE life.
also, how did walter supress him then, and what about rachel? alucard has ONE life.
not significant. he doesnt have multiple lives, just because he hasnt been KILLED yet doesnt mean he is dying and being reborn.
as to the post by ladie's man
1. alucard's speed has already been seen to be far behind ichigo's
2. tut tut tut, what had set in hellsing even done???? omg ZOMG hes the god of death ZOMG
3.are you talking about anime because that isnt cannon. also by his POWER, what exactly do you mean? you wudnt happen to be mentioning MIST that covered the city wud u, because that did NOTHING. now if he had DESTROYED the city than itd be sumthing - alas he didnt
4. his hellhounds were dealt with by walter and heinklien they look very cool but theyr not doing anything to bleachers. plus his undead rent exactly,...... powerful now are they
5. he DIDNT fight at the elemental level against incognito. what a thing to say. it was just his inability to die by CONVENTIONAL methods and remake his OWN body.
6. and WHAT is the greatest feat of alucard's strength? upturning veheicles? tearing humans in two? cmon, that isnt much at all. speed, is already commented upon. as far as READING moves goes, no, he doesnt have that ability, he isnt a shaaringan user type . plus he can hypnotize, sure, but he isnt a TELEPATH{that was in the non cannon anime not manga} he can only really telepathically talk to his FAMILIARS. and remind me where he used telekenesis in the manga again, i seem to have forgotten. teleportation is also slow and more like morphing, it isnt the type that nightcrawler wud use.
so yea, it is very probable that he wont even be able to get a single hit on ichigo as ichigo currently is. alucard us PLENTY strong in his universe and varied to boost. but when ur talking bleach/naruto levels, he wud lose in a jiffy.
Actually no. Anderson wouldnt have lost. He'd turned into an untiring monster. Alucard would inevitably have his 'lives' exausted, as he just couldnt keep up in a sealed state.
And as for the restriction thing you can blame integra for that because Zero is his actual form. he, being Dracula. The restriction levels are what the hellsing family use to control alucard, it seems.
You just don't get it do you leonheartmm it seems to me your only looked at the pretty pictures in the manga try reading the manga next time pal.
lol^ cmon, now what about the wrest of the points made. ive already explained how alucard's release state has nothing to do with his SOULS as u put it. he has souls of other people which he can use as familiars but they are not HIS souls. he only has one life.
and what gives you the idea that at restiction level zero, alcard suddenly loses all of your claimed SOULS which give him many lives???
Its well beyond this point in the manga but this is basically the pinnacle so far.
Ichigo's power is basically physical endurance and immeasurable speed. In the fight above this one he is probably 100x stronger if you can imagine that.
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1.Exactly how fast is Ichigo? I don't know much about him.
2.Well since he was a god, he kicks a$$ by default, but sounds rather absurd. Anyways, he could destroy London and more (He stated this at some point).
3.Do you meant that we can't use the anime-incarnation of Alucard? Because if we can't then nearly all my arguments are invalid since I haven't read even a single manga of Hellsing. As for the mist part, no, I'm not talking about the mist. I'm talking about the part where the markings on his gloves cover the city. It is the sign of possessing an insane amount of power. It's the same as with Sid from Devil May Cry.
4.Since I haven't read the manga, I can't comment on this. But from what I come to know from the third OVA is that the Millenium has been planning to finish off Alucard/Hellsing for 50 years, so this might give them a little edge. Why do you think a nobody like Dandy man could even pester Alucard?
5.Thunderbolts, energy waves that could slice bridges, it looked pretty elemental to me.
6.Again, I haven't read the manga, but to me it is overpowering Sett.
Hey and speaking of Nightcrawler, Magneto owns them both single-handedly
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Ok, the bottom video i showed involves the center guy being able to control millions of floating blades. Bascially Ichigo was able to deflect all of them at once. Flash step which is what the speed thingy that looks like he is disapearing and re-appearing is above almost anyone in speed for Shinigami in Ichigo's case. It is said that one step in flash step can be up to miles at a time.
The black kinda of magical thing that Ichigo is tossing around in the first one is able to cut through several skyscrapers. That is basically Ichigo's only magical ability except he is also able to sue that energy as a shield for really strong incoming attacks. The manga and anime make it very clear taht no one knows what Ichigo really is, nor himself; they know he is both human and shinigami some how; at this point he is now a viazard: a shinigami mixed with a hollow basically. In the early part of the story it is stated that Ighigo literally has infinite spiritual energy and if he released even a small amount of it all at once uncontrolled his body would destroy itself.
(noob) not sure if any one knows or even mentioned it but as i stumbled upon this topic and read some stuff i saw people saying that all you'd hafta do is put Alucard in the sun...if you read the manga then you would know the sun don't hurt him he just hates it. also Alucard never needs to take his time healing if you've read and watched all of Hellsing you'd know that he lets them "kill" him or "hurt" him so he can get their hopes up then crush them merciously
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>_>; a little off topic, but isn't this a manga/manga versus, or did everyone forget that both hellsing and bleach were manga's before they were animated?
But honestly I don't know who would win. It would be fun to watch if it actually happened. And as long as Tite has nothing to do with it then it will be excellent.(joke)
Ichigo would win, as Alucard simply doesn't have the the ability to harm him. This of course unless its Schrodinger-Alucard in which case Alucard wins simply becuase its impossible for him to lose. Eventually he'd wear him down somehow. Even Ichigo can't fight for weeks on end. Alucard can.
Alucard from the manga can only be killed one way, and ichigo does not posses that thing, but alucard would not really be able to fight him, so this does not really work, its the unmovable object vs the unstoppable force, so yeah its dumb
(POTENTIAL HELLSING SPOILERS)You people seem to forget that:
Near the end of Hellsing Alucard obtains near omnipresence, meaning he can't die unless he wills it. He also has superstrength, superspeed, Baskerville(the shadow dog thing), shadow manipulation, some form of hypnosis, incredible accuracy, regeneration, intangibility etc. Ichigo is powerful, but I doubt he could push Alucard to his limit. Therefore he will win.
If we are talking about Alucard from the majority of Hellsing he is practically impossible to kill. However he can be kill by killing all the lives he has absorbed. Quite literally millions of them but, Ichigo could be powerful enough to do that but most likely he would end up tiring himself out trying to damage him not realizing that he only has to inflict lethal damage not annihilate him over and over.
But if we are talking about ending Schrodinger Alucard no Ichigo has no chance he is totally ****ed. The reason why the series ends there is cause there is no point of continuing cause he is so powerful. When he consumes Schrodinger he becomes a living enbodiment of Schrodinger effect. With abilities such as... Schrodinger Alucard
Alucard at the end of the series becomes omnipresent and truly immortal. Having two souls within him, his own and Schrodinger's, he is completely the most powerful character in the series.
Abilities:
Omnipresence
Ability to be everywhere and nowhere at the same time at any time
Can control and manipulate physics at the quantum level
Heightened Regeneration powers
Advanced Teleportation
Complete Immortality
Ability to be nothingness or enter a "void" in which Alucard is not present anywhere but is "not dead or alive".
Ability to return after having his existence eradicated
So yeah I'd we are talking about Alucard at his strongest Ichigo would be extraordinarily lucky to move before he died.
Yeh I saw both Bleach and Hellsing and I still follow Bleach manga cuz I am inlove whit Bleach-One piece . Ichigo would rape Alucard until the Omnipresence part now he is basicly imortall full power so basicly speking Ichigo would fight Alucard lets say 1000 years if his life is as long as captain comander (i know his dead but hey ) it will still be uselles since Alucard don't age... . To put it simple whit his new power Alucard will not be there when Ichigo try to hits him. Alucard if he wants cuz his omnipresence can go in Ichigo mind... How will Ichigo defeat that ? And yes is posible in Hellsing Schrodinger did enter in somebody mind to deliver a mesage... So all Alucard would do is to use the rest of his powers (and he has lots of them) to inflinct damage on Ichigo even if it would take 1 bilion years Alucard would win finaly... Even so Ichigo if i am not wrong can't fight that long i mean his longest fight was like what ? 1 day if you put that all Aizen fight ... and Alucard well his a vampaire he does not get tired...
P.S THE LIST OF THEM POWERS
ICHIGO
read/watch a lot of Bleach stuff, and I’ve come to a conclusion. Ichigo’s powers, from order of appearance are:
The ability to interact/see spirits(really 6th sense like)
Zangetsu- he isn’t explained much in the beginning, but I’ll tell you. He is a quiet but determined part of Ichigo that manifests as his zanpakuto. His powers are mainly kido-based(getsuga tensho), but does take on a large shape while it is sealed in the beginning, and in shikai (the second release). During Bankai, or Tensa zangetsu, he still has kido-based moves,(a black getsuga tenshou)but is smaller and faster.
Next, his hollow- in fanfictions, and forums and other random blogs, he is referred to as Shirosaki Hichigo. Shirosaki mainy 'Kurosaki' but with 'shiro' (white) being the prefix. Then Hichigo meaning Hollow Ichigo. He has a beserker style of fighting and is mainly called Ichigo’s instinct. He originated most of Ichigo’s fighting technique, and even did the black getsuga tenshou first. He contains a lot of Ichigo’s reiatsu since he is also a part of his soul, and is extremely powerful- like Ichigo.
He gains other powers such as a full hollowfication from Hichigo (unintentionally), but are more so considered one time accidents(even though they happen more than once).
Then, he gains Mugetsu. He is basically a mixture of Zangetsu and Ichigo, embodying the 'Final Getsuga Tenshou'. This move can only be used once supposedly, before all of your spirit energy drains away(It doesn’t happen to ichi though, he gets it back).
Which brings us to his Fullbring powers. A new onset(basically like the zanpakuto arc, visored arc and bounto arc) his fullbring is supposedly the power to control the objects in the world by manipulating their souls. Ichigo mainly uses his ex-Substitute Soul reaper badge for fullbring, creating a similar image of Mugetsu’s attack. At the end of Ichigo’s 'stable' fullbring, he looks like he’s covered in hollow mask-gunk, and is really kinda crazy.
And the last powers he gets is his original shinigami powers, collected from his stray spirit particles over the years from fighting several shinigami in the soul society. His weapon is slightly altered, as well as his clothing, due to the exposure to fullbring, but is very much like him before the mugetsu ideal. Except he’s much stronger and has the ability to do a faux- getsuga tenshou just by swinging his sword fast. + In manga now he got Quincy powers (bad ass once i can say ) And powers that are yet to be show.
ALUCARD
Immortality: This ability is rather ambiguous, as Alucard himself has stated that immortality is a myth. However, what it most likely refers to is the human souls inside Alucard; it has been speculated that, when damaged by blow that would have killed or incapacitated him such as exceedingly holy weapons, the damage is instead directed to his reservoir of souls. Because this ability does not really grant him true immortality, it can be considered as pseudo-immortality. However, after "Monster of God" Anderson destroyed the rest of Level 0, Alucard was still able to regenerate on par with him. (This was on par with Alucard before releasing Level 0). However, the "soul count" theory is just a fan theory, and has never been definitively proven, although there is some evidence in the series to support it. when he is struck by holy weapons some of the souls spontaneously die even though they were unscathed. Also at the end of the series Alucard stated he returns by killing all the souls inside him but one. It was even speculated by Anderson, an experienced vampire hunter/expert, that this was the reason for his not being able to kill Alucard.
Advanced Regeneration: Alucard's ability to regenerate is considerably greater than any other vampire's. He has regenerated from a pool of blood and from being decapitated, blown to shreds by gunfire, incinerated completely, etc. When damaged to an extreme extent, his body simply turns into a shadow-like substance and reconstitutes. Exceedingly holy weapons have been shown to incapacitate him for a time, but even Anderson, augmented with Helena's Nail, could do no lasting harm to him. While regenerating against Anderson, he became a shadow entity at one point.
Superhuman Accuracy: Alucard has been known to hit targets at great range using handguns while looking the other way. He does this by using his so-called 'third eye'.
Superhuman Strength: The extent is unknown, but Alucard can physically rip humans and vampires apart with ease. He can slice through Tubalcain's cards (which are sharp and strong enough to easily cut through a uranium shell moving at high speed, without the slightest damage done to the cards themselves). With just his bare hand, he was able to stab through Alexander Anderson, infused with the Nail of Helena, in the heart and kill him while the Casull did not have noticable impact on a human Anderson.
Superhuman Speed: He can move faster than the eye can see, such as when he seemingly appeared to be a glint of light like artificial vampires have shown in his fight with Tubalcain. He's fast enough to keep up with a vampirized Walter Dornez, who was shown to be able to outpace bullets from machine guns when he was human.
Superhuman Reflexes: He has demonstrated the ability to catch bullets (both Rip Van Winkle's and ordinary ones). He easily caught Rip Van Winkle's magic bullet with his teeth (the same bullet which punctured a SR-71 moving down at Mach 3.2 speed several times in rapid succession and intercepted multiple missiles).
Intangibility: The ability to pass through solid objects.
Superhuman Agility: The ability to defy gravity to an uncertain limit. He is also seen leaping impossible distances and can walk up vertical surfaces.
Shadow Manipulation: Manipulation of shadows into physical form, which he can then use however he wishes.
Shape-Shifting: Alucard can transform himself or parts of himself into bats, insects, snakes, hellhounds, other human forms including a little girl, an amorphous mass of darkness, and many other forms. Alucard has four known human forms, each with different characteristics and weapons. He also states that his form means nothing and that he can take any form that he chooses.
Weather Control: The ability to control the weather to an unknown limit, as demonstrated by the fog created when he returned to London aboard the H.M.S Eagle.
Teleportation: The ability to disappear and reappear somewhere else. He also has the ability to levitate.
Telekinesis: In the manga, Alucard uses telekinesis to close a door on a fleeing SWAT officer. He also launched six SWAT officers into the air and guided them to flag poles where they were impaled. Alucard is later seen moving a broken down air-craft carrier from the Gulf of Italy to the Dover of London all in a little less than 40 minutes.
Telepathy: Alucard can speak telepathically to his fledgling, Seras Victoria.
Mind Reading: He is able to listen to what the others are thinking of.
Mind Control and Hypnosis: (fans sometimes call it the "Love Beam" after a remark from Pip).
Precognition: As a standard for a vampire, he has precognition, the ability to see into the immediate future, which allows him to predict the movements of the humans he's fighting. According to Pip, a vampire can easily dodge a bullet with their ability to predict human movements.
Summoning: The ability to summon familiars, the souls of those whose blood he has sucked in a variety of forms that either sprout from his body or swarm around him as an army numbering in the millions. These familiars can also include animals such as horses and the weapons and abilities that the familiars possessed in life, but Alucard can only use this ability when Control Art Restriction System Level Zero is released. The familiars can come in two ways, one is similar to a ghoul, mindless and constantly moaning in pain, while the other is the soul manifesting exactly how it was when it was alive, personality, powers, and all. It's unknown if vampires have control of how they want their familiars to manifest, or if the soul loses its personality traits (although the former seems more likely).
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