they didn't find a way to be together... Jack found it and made that decision for them, as I remember.
Jack is the impetus that allowed Will to get her in the first place, and Jack is clearly the one thing that could have come between them (and nearly did). Unfortunately for everyone, Disney took a heavy hand in preventing the films from exploring that less obvious choice.
I don't think anyone was happy with the way things ended, and I would have much preferred Elizabeth and Will happily returning to Port Royal to play house or something. To think about things realistically, Will ruined his own life and the life of the woman he claimed to love in order to make some over-zealous promise to an absent and alcoholic father.
perhaps I am just a feminist, or perhaps I am more realistic than I like to think, but asking a woman to stay faithful to you when you will only see her maybe 5 times before she dies is cruel, unnatural, and plain annoying in light of Elizabeth's character. It's not romantic at all. It's ruining two perfectly good lives for a curse that doesn't make sense and to save someone who killed Norrington. boo. I've gone over this and over this, and i guess should stop nailing this into the ground.
clearly you and I have very different ideas of love, romance, and life, SelinaandBruce...
Will didn't require anything of Elizabeth that she didn't whole heartedly and willing accept. It depends on what type of feminist you are. I am the kind that beleives women should make any choice they want. Elizabeth made her choice. She didn't have to come back to the cliffs, she didn't even have to consumate her marriage to Will but she chose those things.
I know that Jack gave them that gift because he could have taken that immortality for himself but I think even in all his lying about rooting for Norrington he wanted Will and Elizabeth to be together. He saw how much Elizabeth loved him just based on the fact she felt she had to kill Jack in order to get Will and the others safely on land and how she gladly traded Jack for Will. So I have the utmost respect for Jack honoring their love in that way.
I'm fine with the ending of AWE. Not thrilled by any means, except I am really happy with Jack's overall except I wish he had gotten the black pearl but that leaves it open to new adventure I guess. I can see the good and the bad in Will and Elizabeth's ending. On one token it is a testament to the truest love that is so faithful and unwavering time itself cannot separate or weaken them. On the other hand it is not the most ideal situation to be in, but that is the situation they are in and they are making it work so I see no problem with it. It's not a classic happy ending, which IMO would have sucked.
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i just don't have that kind of loyalty. and frankly, I don't think Elizabeth does either. life is a journey and sometimes things change and your dreams change and things dont turn out the way you wanted and you have to roll with the punches. i think that's what these films are about. i think that's one message that continuously comes across (despite plot holes, character problems, and competing viewpoints) and each character seems to reflect it in certain ways. it seems to cancel out the whole point of the series and all previous character development if thats just it for Elizabeth.
But Elizabeth and will have been destined to each other since the day she watched over him. Even she knows this and that was the point of the films I think no matter what they will overcome. 10 years is a sucky long time but her one day with Will each time I think is going to refresh her desire to make that commitment for another 10 years. That's supposed to be the story. And she literally has his heart.
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Port Royal Headlines: "Elizabeth Turner Accidentally Stabs Husband's Heart After Drunken Night at Tavern... Bet She's Wishing She Had Put it in a Swiss Bank Account Now Like Jack Suggested..."
hahaha well, i'm out for a while. term papers and appointments beckon. I really do just enjoy a good debate. I've actually debated on behalf of several other ships with equally die-hard intensity at various points. my loyalties are questionable and entirely dependent on my mood.
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"But Elizabeth and will have been destined to each other since the day she watched over him. Even she knows this and that was the point of the films I think no matter what they will overcome. 10 years is a sucky long time but her one day with Will each time I think is going to refresh her desire to make that commitment for another 10 years. That's supposed to be the story. And she literally has his heart."----Selina
You're not married, are you? I really hope what you say is true. Well, what I actually hope is that Disney is just misleading us and Will will actually be free after the first ten years. But yes, ideally, each of those days he spends with Elizabeth should be enough for her to still love him and want to be with him. But there isn't such a thing as "destined to be." Even the movies, which make a few references to destiny, make it clear that these characters did choose their own paths and had things been done a little differently, Will would not have been practically killed by Davy Jones and would not have stabbed the heart. It was more a self-fulfilling prophesy in my mind. Marriage takes a lot of work, and you need to have the difficult times together for it to work. You need to fight with your spouse every so often and discuss things with them. Elizabeth has no knowledge at all of how Will would have raised their child, balanced their money (and considering she's the pirate king, I bet she's loaded by the end of the series), supported her career, found a career for himself. The list just goes on. By the time they'll be reunited, I hate to say it, they won't really know each other anymore because they'll have had so many life-changing experiences without the other. It goes both ways, too. Elizabeth can't possibly relate to Will now that he has been to the afterlife and seen death and dying on such an everyday basis. I don't think POTC is meant to be a fairy tale per se, because fairy tales don't have these kinds of bittersweet endings. This is just your typical tale of the sea that sailors will tell each other-- how two young pirates married only to be torn from each other, and how the bride was made a widow before she could even consummate their marriage. It fits the mold of a ghost story or supernatural tale an old man would tell you in front of a tavern more so than something your mom would tell you as she tucks you in.
Life is not as simple as that.It's not really healthy to live in a so called marriage and see each other only few times in their life time.It's more human thing to give back the freedom for each other,otherwise it's atorture.It's no good to be alone.it's not at all romantic.
People make their choices. It may not be healthy or feasible by your terms but if that's what Elizabeth wants, and clearly it is since she shows back up with his son to meet him 10 years later then that's the story and that's their love. I think a lot of things people do for love are really pretty stupid, but sometimes if you love somebody you do whatever it takes to be with them. This at least to me demonstrates how deeply Elizabeth loves Will. It may not be ideal to any of us, but it's not OUR loves, or OUR hearts it's Elizabeth's and I admire her loyalty even though I can't say I'd emulate it.
I mean hell in Romeo and Juliet they killed themselves because they think or the other one IS dead. I would never do that either but to make that kind of sacrifice let's me know that they really loved each other and couldn't imagine being with anyone else even though I can't understand nor do I have any interest in going to those kind of measures.
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I'm not saying that I would want to live my life like that or that I would or that I even think it's a good idea at all. But the fact that Elizabeth chooses that life even though it isn't much of a benefit at all to her shows me how much she loves Will is the point. She loves him so much that rather than be with anyone else she'll wait 10 years to see him again for just one day. That's a really special unyielding love. Like I said I couldn't imagine giving my life away like that but the implication that Disney makes is that that's what Elizabeth will do to be with Will. Elizabeth and Will are a love story. A semi tragic one but a love story just the same. They made love on a beach, conceived a son and then he had to go away and she is destined to wait 10 years to see him again. And the point of putting that clip at the end of the credits was to prove she would come back for him and that she would never give up.
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