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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Blink and the Exiles killed Phoenix, it's all cannon for them...

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Originally posted by Kutulu
I thought those were considered alternate universes though, not divergent timestreams from mainstay 616 MU.

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Originally posted by janus77
[B

what Maestro did IN the regular 616 timeline, is not a "what if" or an "alternative timeline". the speculation/alternative timeline parts are the trophy room stuff, the superheroes that he bested... all that is up for grabs and speculative, and outside of the regular 616 timeline.

what Prof. Hulk did, how he fought with Maestro... that's also 616 timeline, since he went into the future from 616 and return to 616. [/B]

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Originally posted by strengthkills
Who in 616 has ever bent adamantium? No one has,Gladiator whaled on Cap Americas shield(which is comparable) and didnt do anything.

Their power levels arent the same obviously,but Maestro and Merged were shown as peers or equals.It wouldnt be a stretch to assume WWH is Maestros equal.

Hulk has feats that match Maestros and even surpass them,616 Gladiator
doesnt have the showings to put him above someone who has bent Beta Adamantium.

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm not certain but IIRC someone posted that it's been made that all universes are branches of 616 now.

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Spoilsport.

Anyway to my knowledge, and I've been here on and off for about 2-3 years, we've never used alternate versions as indicative of 616 levels.

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Originally posted by pr1983
aren't i?

and yes, alternate universe characters can't be used unless you can prove without a doubt that they are at a comparable level to the 616 counterpart you're using...

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Originally posted by pr1983
aren't i?

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Originally posted by pr1983
and yes, alternate universe characters can't be used unless you can prove without a doubt that they are at a comparable level to the 616 counterpart you're using...

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So then Blink did kill Phoenix... huzzah!

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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Vulcan stealing Phoenix energies + shattering the M'Kraan Crystal.

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No one likes Vulcan... he's a poo and you know it.

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Originally posted by ExodusCloak




Which is my point exactly. Even though that Gladiator has the same powerset as our 616 Gladiator that feat doesn't count. So why should Maestros? When we've seen the Hulk over extend his healing factor by less eg Void and the bones. AoA is also a divergent timeline and Mags ripping Apocalypse in half also doesn't count on these boards.



That could be Mr. Master.

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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
True. He's one of Brubakers worse ideas. But I'd say the Hippies in the new Uncanny issue take first prize.

http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=8333

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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Its not about where he performed this feat. Its about who he is. He's a Hulk from an alternate future.

BTW That last bit. A bit off topic but if Prof Hulk did go into the future it wouldn't be the 616 future as we know it because it keeps on changing. It would be a reality with a different number to it.

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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Which is my point exactly. Even though that Gladiator has the same powerset as our 616 Gladiator that feat doesn't count. So why should Maestros? When we've seen the Hulk over extend his healing factor by less eg Void and the bones. AoA is also a divergent timeline and Mags ripping Apocalypse in half also doesn't count on these boards.

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Originally posted by strengthkills
No its not,616 Gladiator is obviously not more powerful than the Alternate Gladiator,considering 616 has never shown the ability to perform that high caliber of a feat.

Maestro has done nothing outside of the realm of what Hulk could do,you basically took a showing from a handicapped and jobbed out Hulk and used it as a norm.

Im not saying that Hulk regenerating from atoms is a common everyday thing for him,but he has shown himself able to do things of that same caliber.

Ask yourself this,could you see 616 Gladiator bending Adamantium?
Or better yet could you see Alternate Gladiator punching out a planet with 3 blows,when you've seen him break Adamantium,which is truly Invulnerable in 616 continuity.

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Originally posted by pr1983
aren't i?

and yes, alternate universe characters can't be used unless you can prove without a doubt that they are at a comparable level to the 616 counterpart you're using...

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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Gladiators confidence is a plot device in itself. Just like Hulks strength so why not. If we can accept Hulk regenerating from atoms...I don't find it hard accepting Gladiator breaking adamantium.

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Originally posted by janus77
I think you'd probably find that there are contextual reasons for why Gladiator, Magneto etc have different power-levels in the alternate timelines.

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as for the future being changed by Prof. Hulk's actions, yes it was the 616 future - that's the whole point of Maestro saying that the time line's split - just that it ceased to be the future of 616 from that point on.

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Hulk's healing has fluctuated but, it is also a factor of his rage/anger/stress levels and as far as I'm aware, Sentry had a calming effect on Hulk... so perhaps that retarded it somewhat.

nevertheless, we have WWH arc feat of Zom/Strange ripping through Hulk's body to zero effect... we have Sentry unloading his "power of a million exploding suns" on Hulk to nil effect... [/B]

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oooh on a semi-not-that-related note... Storm became Phoenix in an alternate universe...

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oooh on a semi-not-that-related note... Storm became Phoenix in an alternate universe...

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Originally posted by Badabing
I feel a disturbance in the Force now.......