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Power isn't limited to just physical strength, and we have yet to see the limits of Sephiroths physical strength anyway. When Kratos has the ability to stop a planet threatening attack with his mind power alone, then he can be considered competition to Sephiroth in terms of power.


When has Sephiroth stopped a planet threatening attack with his mind?


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ridiculous...solo Olympus lol.....no..

but pesonally Sephiroth prob would take on GOW 2 kratos with difficulty, the guy would be hard to put down, if this is God mode near invulerable and near unbeatable, a couple of sword slashes from Blade of Olympus would put Sephiroth out of action, but overall I think Sephiroth has an advantage in flight


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Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Sephiroth owned the Zolom in a body that was weaker than his own without any problems. He'd wtfpwn the hydra.

And Athena was still killed by a big sword, meaning pre Nibel Sephiroth > GoW "gods." AC Seph would solo all of Olympus.


Just as Kratos would WTFpwn the Midar Zolom with one tree less than Sephiroth.

And that big sword that killed Athena was still more powerful than any weapon or being in FFVII, Sephiroth included. AC Seph, any Seph, would have his body caught fire the moment he looked at Zeus the wrong way.

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if this is God mode near invulerable and near unbeatable, a couple of sword slashes from Blade of Olympus would put Sephiroth out of action, but overall I think Sephiroth has an advantage in flight


Kratos has the Blade of Olympus as of now and is out of his God form (such powers are in the BoO as of now). He doesn't need that form to wield it. I'm not sure if that's what you were getting at though, so you'll have to forgive me if you weren't.

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I was simply saying if were using the God version from the beginning of GoW 2, the large one, but any Kratos would be a difficult fight for Sephiroth, the guy has so many instant kills, insane strength etc etc


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When has Sephiroth stopped a planet threatening attack with his mind?

Holy, the antithesis of Meteor, the only thing that can destroy meteor and was stated to be powerful enough to destroy everything on Gaia, Sephiroth stopped it with his will.

In his weaker form he did this to the serpent:

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I can't see Kratos winning against someone who can go intangeable, who can go far faster then him, teleporting, and powers greater then him.

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Holy, the antithesis of Meteor, the only thing that can destroy meteor and was stated to be powerful enough to destroy everything on Gaia, Sephiroth stopped it with his will.


Oh yeah; Holy was going to destroy everything it deemed bad for the planet; yeah.


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Holy, the antithesis of Meteor, the only thing that can destroy meteor and was stated to be powerful enough to destroy everything on Gaia, Sephiroth stopped it with his will.

In his weaker form he did this to the serpent:

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I can't see Kratos winning against someone who can go intangeable, who can go far faster then him, teleporting, and powers greater then him.
1. It was stated powerful enough to destroy anything, and only would destroy the bad things. And who stated that btw? I can't remember.

Kay. Kratos in Chains Of Olympus could have done that with one hand.

Intangible? Seph has never gone intangible. Faster? True, but Kratos is not slow and is stronger and more durable. Teleporting? Never happened. Powers greater? The Blade of Olympus in one move ended the Great Titan War.

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It was stated that it could destroy everything by Bugenhagon, everything, WEAPONs, Meteor, possibly even themselves would all come to an end he said. Also its fact that white materia is the antithesis of black materia, and is the only thing powerful enough to stop it, so Holy is ATLEAST as powerful as Meteor.

Why are you spouting false statements? Sephiroth even in his weaker form can go intangeable, or else I wouldn't have said he can. We don't know how durable Sephiroth is because he only lost to a PIS move omnislash which we don't know the power of omnislash is anyway, his weak remnants took a huge TNT blast and survived it. Teleporting never happened? Yes he has teleported quite a bit, or else i wouldn't have said he did.

Sephiroth stopped a power strong enough to destroy everything, with his willpower, he infected the lifestream and created his own negative lifestream which means he has access to life,magic,power,energy, we've still yet to see the true powers of Sephiroth as well.

Also might I add, the Blade of Olympus is Zeus' weapon and not necessarily Kratos own personal power

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Also might I add, the Blade of Olympus is Zeus' weapon and not necessarily Kratos own personal power


Zeus just forged it (from "the heavens and the earth"), there's nothing implying Kratos can't use it the same way. Not to mention that Kratos drained all of his own power into the blade at the start of the game. It really doesn't matter whether it was once Zeus' weapon, it's Kratos' now; The Buster sword was once Angeal's (though he rarely used it), but it ultimately became a gravestone.

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What I meant was, its the power of the sword, not the power of Kratos.

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I know, but what I'm saying is that it's not what in an "overall" case (especially since the power of Kratos is held WITHIN the sword). What matters is that he wields the power.

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Is it stated that the sword can only be used by Kratos' alone? What if the sword was taken from him?

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Where did you get that implication out of what I said? First off, there hasn't shown to be any particular restriction as to who can use it (Kratos and Zeus are the only ones who've been shown to wield it). Secondly, the sword WAS taken from him once (through Zeus' plans), but he got it back at the end of GoWII through some pretty in-depth means (adn the final fight with Zeus was basically a tug-o'-war for the sword).

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It was stated that it could destroy everything by Bugenhagon, everything, WEAPONs, Meteor, possibly even themselves would all come to an end he said. Also its fact that white materia is the antithesis of black materia, and is the only thing powerful enough to stop it, so Holy is ATLEAST as powerful as Meteor.


But it didn't stop Meteor; it was the Lifestream.


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sephiroth can manipulate weather, cut the giant steel with little effort, can levitate, and he can summon a meteor. kratos can't win this.


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sephiroth can manipulate weather, cut the giant steel with little effort, can levitate, and he can summon a meteor. kratos can't win this.


Kratos has herculean strength, can unleash a divine lighting storm, summon a team of immortal souls of the Underworld for battle, imbue his body with the power of the Gods/Titans, and can control and manipulate time and fate. Just because a FFVII character's name was in this thread doesn't mean I didn't think twice.

Besides, Zeus, the Sisters of Fate, and Persephone (among) could levitate to, and Kratos still fought them par-for-par agianst the ones he didn't just plain destroy.

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and he can summon a meteor.


With only the use of Black Materia; without it he was powerless to do so.


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Where did you get that implication out of what I said? First off, there hasn't shown to be any particular restriction as to who can use it (Kratos and Zeus are the only ones who've been shown to wield it). Secondly, the sword WAS taken from him once (through Zeus' plans), but he got it back at the end of GoWII through some pretty in-depth means (adn the final fight with Zeus was basically a tug-o'-war for the sword).


I didn't imply anything, it was just a normal question. So basically the sword is NOT Kratos' power, its a powerful weapon, but it is not his own power, just like the Infinity Gauntlet from Marvel , unless the thread states "Thanos /w IG" there is no reason to assume that Thanos has it. Same thing with this thread, if it just states Kratos, we are normally to assume Kratos the being himself, under his own powers vs Sephiroth himself.

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But it didn't stop Meteor; it was the Lifestream.

That is because Holy was released from Sephiroth way too late after the Meteor was basically about to hit anyway, thats why it needed the lifestreams help. If Holy was never stopped by Sephiroth in the first place, it would have destroyed Meteor long before it was even close to the surface.

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I didn't imply anything, it was just a normal question. So basically the sword is NOT Kratos' power, its a powerful weapon, but it is not his own power, just like the Infinity Gauntlet from Marvel , unless the thread states "Thanos /w IG" there is no reason to assume that Thanos has it. Same thing with this thread, if it just states Kratos, we are normally to assume Kratos the being himself, under his own powers vs Sephiroth himself.


It's a slightly different case with this, there's no reason to assume why one wouldn't be given it should it be a commonplace attribute. What's to be assumed is any form of power that's canonically appliable in battle unless stated otherwise, that they've canonically used before, and in this sense, Kratos has used the Blade of Olympus in canon, and has ultimately come into permanent possession of it, which is why I view it as applicable. Not only that, but the OP clearly states it's GoWII's version of Kratos, in which he has the Blade of Olympus, which has HIS powers as the God of War. Take the Prince of Persia for example: an almost primary attribute to his fighting prowess is the use of the Sands of Time, to the point that it may as well be included into a debate unless stated otherwise. Depending on the character he's against, it may be cancelled out or stalemated, but otherwise, it's to be taken into account.

The same can be said for just about anything Kratos has gained except for probably Pandora's Box or his God powers, as those were forms Kratos had achieved through plot moreso than gameplay, and are better left for a debate which involves something along the lines of an "everything taken into account" debate. But again, this is God of War II Kratos that's being used, and again, he has the Blade of Olympus, a weapon not a form or temporary plot-based enhancement canonically, and there's no implication as of now that it's leaving his hands anytime soon.

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Take the Prince of Persia for example: an almost primary attribute to his fighting prowess is the use of the Sands of Time, to the point that it may as well be included into a debate unless stated otherwise. Depending on the character he's against, it may be cancelled out or stalemated, but otherwise, it's to be taken into account.

The same can be said for just about anything Kratos has gained except for probably Pandora's Box or his God powers, as those were forms Kratos had achieved through plot moreso than gameplay, and are better left for a debate which involves something along the lines of an "everything taken into account" debate. But again, this is God of War II Kratos that's being used, and again, he has the Blade of Olympus, a weapon not a form or temporary plot-based enhancement canonically, and there's no implication as of now that it's leaving his hands anytime soon

The difference is, those are abilities he learns, it becomes HIS power, the blade of olypus isn't kratos' power, and it can be used by other people. If the thread stated its GoWII's Kratos which means its Kratos /w the blade of olympus then fine, it can be used in the debate. Either way AC Sephiroth would win the fight.

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