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When did Ganondorf ever turn someone into a bodiless soul?


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When did Ganondorf ever turn someone into a bodiless soul?
Zant did in TP, all of Zant's power comes from Ganon, logically Ganon can as well.


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Zant did in TP, all of Zant's power comes from Ganon, logically Ganon can as well.


I played the Gamecube and Wii version of Twilight Princess...and never saw him do that.


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Nobodies lack hearts, that is all, what proof is there that Nobodies lack a soul.


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Nobodies are shells, just bodies that act on a will of it's own, Yen Sid quote.

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Nobodies are shells, just bodies that act on a will of it's own, Yen Sid quote.
Yes, they lack Hearts, that is what lacking a heart does to you, Nobodies are made when someone with a strong will(or Heart) has their Heart taken by a Heartless, they become shells with no Hearts, only a body and soul. Because they lack a Heart, they lack true emotions(tho they seem to friggin show it in-game).


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Yes, they lack Hearts, that is what lacking a heart does to you, Nobodies are made when someone with a strong will(or Heart) has their Heart taken by a Heartless, they become shells with no Hearts, only a body and soul. Because they lack a Heart, they lack true emotions(tho they seem to friggin show it in-game).


It's never stated is Nobodies have or do not have Souls, don't make things up, hn.

Ansems report merely means a being with a soul, if their soul is attacked, they will die. Not all things have souls


Besides, looks like the soul attack claim is a dud anyway

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I played the Gamecube and Wii version of Twilight Princess...and never saw him do that.


I'll assume you're talking about Ganondorf and not Zant, because Midna explicitly stated that Zant turned all the Twili into Shadow Beasts.

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It's never stated is Nobodies have or do not have Souls, don't make things up, hn.

Ansems report merely means a being with a soul, if their soul is attacked, they will die. Not all things have souls


Besides, looks like the soul attack claim is a dud anyway
1. So we just assume the Heartless took their souls too? Xemnas was a normal human til he lost his heart.

2. Prove Xemnas lacked a soul before having his Heart taken.

3. No it isn't.


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1. So we just assume the Heartless took their souls too? Xemnas was a normal human til he lost his heart.

2. Prove Xemnas lacked a soul before having his Heart taken.

3. No it isn't.


1. Well, yeah

2. I can't proof a negative in this instance. Can you proof it's instance?

3. kay, well to me looks liek tis

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1. Well, yeah

2. I can't proof a negative in this instance. Can you proof it's instance?

3. kay, well to me looks liek tis
1. You just lost the moment you typed that. I will not just assume Heartless take souls, it has never been so much as implied or hinted. They only take Hearts.

2. They had souls before, Heartless don't take souls, they have them after.

3. Well you're wrong.


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1. You just lost the moment you typed that. I will not just assume Heartless take souls, it has never been so much as implied or hinted. They only take Hearts.

2. They had souls before, Heartless don't take souls, they have them after.

3. Well you're wrong.


1. Dude, wake up and smell the moca. Kingdom HEARTS, THEY DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT SOULS, OF COURSE THEY DON'T MENTION THEM

2. No, Nobodies are just bodies, nothing more, ask Wandering Flame if you don't believe me.

3. Well evidences suggests that is correct. go figure.

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1. Dude, wake up and smell the moca. Kingdom HEARTS, THEY DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT SOULS, OF COURSE THEY DON'T MENTION THEM

2. No, Nobodies are just bodies, nothing more, ask Wandering Flame if you don't believe me.

3. Well evidences suggests that is correct. go figure.
1. And every normal thing in KH has a body, Heart, and SOUL. The Heartless don't take souls, Nobodies HAVE souls.

2. They are bodies without Hearts.

3. Really? Cause I coulda sworn that it was mentioned several times Zant was turning Hyrule into the Twilight realm and even did it in a cutscene, and that all of Zant's powers come directly from Ganon...


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1. And every normal thing in KH has a body, Heart, and SOUL. The Heartless don't take souls, Nobodies HAVE souls.

2. They are bodies without Hearts.

3. Really? Cause I coulda sworn that it was mentioned several times Zant was turning Hyrule into the Twilight realm and even did it in a cutscene, and that all of Zant's powers come directly from Ganon...


1. Nobodies are not normal, infact they are exactly the opposite of normal, they donm't even exist. No, until you find PROOF of their having souls, this is a moot point. The ansem report was merely saying if you attack a persons soul they can be killed from it, nothing more, nothing to even suggest it ment more than that.

2. No, they are shells, just bodies that act on their own will, nothing to them you don't see.

3. That is pretty bad logic you know? Kil'jaedens power comes from Sargeras and they both have unique powers. Unless you have proof Ganondorf himself has used that power, no such power belongs to Ganondorf

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1. Nobodies are not normal, infact they are exactly the opposite of normal, they donm't even exist. No, until you find PROOF of their having souls, this is a moot point. The ansem report was merely saying if you attack a persons soul they can be killed from it, nothing more, nothing to even suggest it ment more than that.

2. No, they are shells, just bodies that act on their own will, nothing to them you don't see.

3. That is pretty bad logic you know? Kil'jaedens power comes from Sargeras and they both have unique powers. Unless you have proof Ganondorf himself has used that power, no such power belongs to Ganondorf
1. Yeah, and Nobodies were once human. They lost their Hearts. They didn't lose their soul, because if they did, they would have died. What, do you just think their souls just leave their bodies for no reason? They don't have Hearts, that is it, prove Heartless take souls.

2. No, they are bodies without Hearts. The shell thing is a metaphor on how because they lack Hearts, they have lost all human emotion and feeling.

3. Different situation. Zant is literally using Ganon's own power to do it, Sarg just raised Killy's magical power.


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1. Yeah, and Nobodies were once human. They lost their Hearts. They didn't lose their soul, because if they did, they would have died. What, do you just think their souls just leave their bodies for no reason? They don't have Hearts, that is it, prove Heartless take souls.

2. No, they are bodies without Hearts. The shell thing is a metaphor on how because they lack Hearts, they have lost all human emotion and feeling.

3. Different situation. Zant is literally using Ganon's own power to do it, Sarg just raised Killy's magical power.


1&2. When the heartless turn someone into a heartless that person Dies. Their heart becomes a heartless, their soul is released to the after life or whatever. As you can see between Roxas and Sora they are two different people. The soul is no longer with the body. You have no reason to claim they have souls, and your only trying for it because thats the only way Ganon can hope to beat Xemnas.

3. Proof of that? And Sargeras gave Kil a scrap of his own power

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3. Proof of that? And Sargeras gave Kil a scrap of his own power


3. very good point imo, just because someone has power from another, or is part of them, does not make the creator have this power, i can say the same about Kain, kain gives power of his own soul to his various sons but they have many gifts kain has not, like immunity to water for Rahab

and the same with Sarg, he gave Kiljaeden some of his power, but that does not mean Sarg has all the same abilities of Killy or vice versa

ime backing this strongly because Sephiroth lovers are pushing for the fact just because Loz is part of him or some such, or created by him, Sephiroth has all of Loz' abilities only far greater, which is failed logic


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Why'd you number it lol.


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Why'd you number it lol.


lol...erm...for the sake of the magic of television?


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