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Thats true, well in 300Xg, Dr Breifs says vegetas body wud weigh 18 tons !!400 Xg woudl be around 25tons
Having your body weigh 18 tons is alot different than just simply lifting it, id say vegeta in the saiyan saga could lift thousands if not millions of tons, the gravity thign in DBZ is soo fuekd up, king kais planet should have had 1000X stronger gravity then they shoudl have went on from there !!Anyoen also remeber when cell went into space and stopped a HUGE meteor with one hand easly the it blew up ??
lol thanks I didn't know I was missed. You can always find me milling about the comic vs section if ya need me.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
Personally I'm under the impression that neither have more control asserted from one character than another.
Vegeta does have enough influence on both characters to make them ruthless, and play with their food though.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
The Superman supporters were simply and clearly ignoring every bit of proof that they didn't like which was threatening to Superman. Every time a pro-DBZ feat was brought up that was a legitimate occurance of Superman's inferiority they defaulted to "canon" even though the thread specified non-canon material...
If I'm going to spend my time debating with someone, I'd much rather it be someone who's open to information coming in rather than just insisting that facts do and don't count when it suits them.
How many times as Batman given Supe's a hard time? It's easy to discredit a character when you use every convinient plot hole you can to pick apart what they can and can't do, and that's exactly how they were arguing.
Hey, if they want to continue believing that Superman is a character who can take people who destroy galaxies at a whim I guess that's their perogative.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
Most people don't get the vast difference in power needed to destroy different things. Lets say cell cell can destroy a solar system (iffy I know) someone a trillion times more powerful still couldn't make a dent in a galaxy. Inverse square law and all that combined with vast galactic distances.
The Broly feat is very iffy and has no evidence it was done in one go.
You tell me. Lets look at all their battles since infinite crisis:
Superman/Batman: With A Vengeance
Batman empowered by Krytonite man's powers. Gets beaten down
Sacrifice: Superman gets beaten near to death despite using Kryptonite
Superman/Batman: The Enemies Among Us
Batman empowered by blackrock a villain who normally give Supes problems on his own. Superman almost kills Batman.
Superman/Batman: Torment
Superman almost kills Batman while mind controlled.
*Intelligence: Normal
(even though he act bright sometimes I still think of him as a normal thinking person)
Strength: Incalculable
(The reason I say that goku has incalculable strength is because in the beginning of dbz during the raditz saga he knocked a tree down that weighed at least 200 tons and carried it over his head like it was nothing. Then while fighting vegeta, he knocked vegeta through two mountains, something that I have yet to see superman or even thor do. Then captain ginyu was flinching his arm throwing warriors out of orbit. Thor had to punch a guy as hard as he can to send someone out of orbit. Superman gave lobo a punch with all of his might to throw someone out of orbit but captain ginyu just flinched his arms and did it. I can keep going tut I want to save space.)
Speed: Orbital velocity
(Im just going to give one reason for this and I hope that it helps. Goku was training pan at the age of 4 and he wanted her to fly around the earth. She flew around the earth but it took her 2 minutes and goku said that that was to slow. So what speed was goku expecting pan to fly around the world, it sound like some seconds to me. I can also bring up that when goku was powering up in front of captain ginyu and captain ginyu went off into a rage. When he busted in the water his entire body turned to light because he was moving so fast.)
Flight speed:
(Read above post)
Stamina: Meta human
( the reason that I say meta human is because they use a lot of energy during battle and beings that has the power to blow up a planet with just one finger shouldnt have godlike stamina)
Durability: Demi godlike
(the reason I say this is because they have taken nuclear explosions to the face but they lack in the ability to heal since they require beans after a long hard battle. Freiza withstood a planet destroying blast. His body was still in contact, the damage came from the battle with goku. Like frieza father said, "a planet exploding is nothing to my son".)
Agility: Metahuman
(It cant get no agile then the z fighters.)
Reflexes: Metahuman
(Theyre reflexes should be at the top of the bar. We have yet to see a character move any where near the way the dbz warrior moves. Lets put it like this, berta and chase was shooting blast at goku and the blast appeared as if it was going directly through goku. Goku looked as if he didnt even move a step but the entire time he was dodging blast that even other meta humans couldnt see him do. It cant get any faster then that. Goku has instantaneous movements.)
I dont have to prove anything about captain ginyu throwing people out of orbit when it was right there in front of your face. Hell vegita was about to throw nappa out of space until he decided to just blow him up while he was heading out of space.
And yes I do think that thor and superman are weaker then goku. Goku while fighting vegeta waved his hands and destroyed entire mountains. Goku while fighting frieza destroyed mountains while fighting. Gohun while worried about videl was shaking his legs and created a miniture earthquake.
I already know about that 10 ton pis crap that youre talking about. To bad goku has done things that put him in the high 100 ton range. Hell goku during the regular dragonball era did things that put him in the high 100 ton range. The picollo that he picked up weighed more then 10 tons in the dragonball era and goku during the nappa era is>>>>>>>>>the one that king picollo fought. Goku at the age of 6 defeated an entire army. Goku at the age of 6 through a being across a city. Goku at the age of 6 moved so fast that he basically disappeared from the entire audience face and other super human faces. Goku at the age of 4 lifted a damn car and through it with ease. Goku at the age of 6 dodged lightning. Imagine how powerful he is during the nappa saga. Goku while 13 lifted half of a moutain looking for the banju fan which weighed a couple of 1000 tons. Tien during the dragonball era picked up a boulder and stopped a volcano from destroying everything.
I like how you bring up superman pushing a wheel but you didnt bring up the fact that he needed wonder woman and martian manhunter help to move the moon. He needed wonder woman and martian manhunter help to move the earth but he can move something the size of a solar system, WOW. Answer this for me, kc superman is> our superman, why did kc superman have trouble moving in 100 times gravity if he so much stronger then goku.
Got another question for ya while you are thinking about the other ones. Goku was lifting weights while training in 100 times gravity. Lets say that he was lifting 100 pounds with the weights that he had. If he is doing it in 100 times earth gravity, then how much was the weights. Vegita was also lifting weights while he was training in 500 times earth gravity. Lets say that the weights again weighed 100 pounds, how much would that be that he was lifting (even though we know the weights weighed more then that.)
When did it ever show Gokou or Vegeta wearing weights when training in gravity? Heck when it showed Vegeta training he only had on shorts. As for Gokou..he's barley shown in the manga training on the way to Namek. Hmm was Vegeta's training in the gravity chamber ever showed in the manga?
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Yes it was shown in the manga, but again you wont acknowledge it because youre always trying to take feats away from goku.
Yes, during training they didnt have ON weights but they were lifting UP weights, remember goku dropped some weights on top of his head.
Again, if kc superman is so much stronger then goku why did he have to make a device so that he can stand on a planet that had the gravity of 10 times earth gravity (even though he never used the device.) and why when starman increased his gravity to 100 time gravity did he slam to the ground and when he got up he was slouched. HMMMM, makes you think.
Superman can fly to galaxies in minutes. And you bring up Goku moving fast enough to be invisible. WOW.
Thor has a far greater lifting feat than, well, anyone in DBZ, like how you didn't address that.
We didn't see anyone go out of orbit when Ginyu threw them. And you have, lemme see, no proof Nappa would have gone out of orbit when Vegeta threw him.
Superman while fighting Darkseid, according to the narrator, was shaking the solar system.
Goku didn't pick him up. He flipped him, huge difference, he basically just pushed him over, he not once lifted him over his head.
Guess what? Throwing a normal sized person through a city doesn't require class 100 strength, not near.
A car is little more than a ton. Wowz.
Goku dodged lightning? I can't remember this, show me the scan.
Superman held a mini black hole. That DESTROYS any DBZ strength feat.
Oh, and alot shit you said either was barely mentioned in manga or didn't happen.
You just like to use feats from the anime and say they are from the manga..when most of the time they aren't. The only time Gokou is shown remotely for more than a panel is when he's talking to King Kai when the fighters get there, and when he fires off multiple kamehamehas and hits himself with them. Oh and when he powers off the gravity machine, throws a rock and catches. Also show me when Vegeta is shown training in the gravity machine in the manga...because seriously I must have missed that somewhere.
And I wasn't addressing anything you said about KC Superman who isn't Regular Superman anyways who has withstood the pressure of the sun without any difficulty, and pressures of black holes.
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Vulcan can fly from one side of the universe to the other side in a week and I still think that dbz would blitz the hell out of him. Rogue flew from the moon back to the xmansion in a second and I still think that goku would blitz the hell out of her. Terrax flew across the entire universe in minutes but again I know for a fact that he would get killed before he even knows that there is a fight. Universal flight dont mean sh** when almost everyone in comics have done it. It takes away from using wasted paper and help time, thats why so many characters have done it. Just ask mr marvel who would also get blitzed by nappa.
Answer this for me, when has goku ever needed to lift anything. You know, dragonball fighting isnt like comics, they actually fight, they dont pick things up and throw it at people. How about goku kicking frieza through nameks crust, through two mountains causing a earth quake. Is that something that a 10 tonner can do.
I clearly seen people go out of orbit when captain ginyu was flinching his arm, hell even if they went to the clouds, thats still a feat that a 100 tonner like lets say colossus has struggled to do. Colossus had to use all of his strength to even throw wolverine to a plane and had doubts that he could do it.
That fight with superman fighting darkseid, it wasnt the narrator that said that, it was a story being told to batman about the superman fight. Maybe you need to reread the story because it was nothing but hyperbole that was told by someone and it wasnt the narrator. I'll let you find out who.
Goku lifted him up off the ground by one finger and flipped him over his head. Again, over a 10 ton feat. Goku in the beginning of dbz lifted a tree that weighed over a 100 tons easily.
You do know the reason why I brought up the feats that goku did as a KID right. I wasnt saying that because it was 100 ton feats but it sure as hell is feats that a 10 tonner cant do. Goku at the age of 4 lifting up a car and throwing it, thats impressive.
If you read the manga like you say that you did you know that during the training with mr poe poe he was taught on his speed and poe poe used lightning because he wanted goku to be faster then lightning.
Superman holding a black hole should have not been a feat that he should have done. I dont even think that odin should be holding black holes but I dont think that beats any dbz feat since but did rip through a freakin time stream on more then one occasion.
Why do people always bring up superman and the sun when it makes him stronger. Im not impressed with superman withstanding the pressure of the sun. I wonder if a green lantern can survive actually being inside of a lantern since it is what gives them there powers. I wonder if flash can survive being inside the speed force since it is what gives him his powers.
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