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well the giy who made this post never said anythign about EVERYTHIGN has to be from the manga, thigns that happen in the aniem count too. So yes piccolo lifting a pyramid with hsi mind, Buu ripping apart the universal dimensions !!
Plus Piccolo was sitting still when goku grabbed him and fliped him !!
and STOP discussing superman, this is stricktly DBZ no one cares about supes feats, atleast not when where tryign to compare DBZ to other DBZ not DC !!
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ok fair enough
DBZ is reeeally hard to estimate this kind of stuff with though, because you got guys who throw each other miles into the air, punch each other threw mountians, hit soo hard they make tremendous shockwaves, and move soo fast even gods cannot keep up with them, all that and the struggle with 40 tons or soo ?? ****ED UP !! Personnally i would put Gokus strength as a child when he fought king piccolo as a few hundred tons 700-800 or soo, if it was soemthign he really had to lift, opt of around 500-600 ! Teen Goku who fought Jr, 1200-1450 tons or so. Plkus the gravity thing, King Kais planet shud have had gravity 1000X earths 10X was wayy to low !!!
According to feats in the Manga this is Goku in the Freeza Saga.
Intellegence: Gifted
Strength: Base, Class 25, able to push himself ten feet in the air with one hand under 100 G's, Super Saiyan, Incalculable.
Speed: Base, Orbital Velocity, able to throw a rock at Super Spped and then pass it in mid flight and catch it, Super Saiyan, 50 times orbital Velocity.
Flight Speed: Base, Light Speed, Goku was able to travel from his space ship to the Ginyu Force instantaniously pre-instant transmission, and Namek was stated to be much larger than Earth and Vegeta, this was proven when Freeza couldn't deastroy it, Super Saiyan, Warp Speed.
Water Speed: Maximum Plus.
Stamina: Base, Enhanced Human, Super Saiyan, Meta Human.
Durability: Demi Godlike, this was proven when Freeza's death beam, which was able to kill an Enhanced Vegeta and break through his armor, and cut through Merged Piccollo like a knife through butter, and weaker attacks of Freeza's cut mile-deep holes in the Earth, didn't harm Super Saiyan Goku's face, so base Goku should be able to take anything short of a nuclear explosion.
Agility: Metahuman
Reflexes: Peak Human
Now Vegetto is at the maximum of everything on your list.
They never make shockwaves when they punch each other, and they don't exactly fly that far when punched.
How is 10x Earth gravity to low. He's never trained in any gravity higher than Earth before then so it being hard to move around in isn't exactly wrong. I wonder if Gokou had on his weighted clothes when he went to King Kai's planet though. He was wearing them before he died and he got his body back. Tien saw how much Gokou improved in speed when they fought at the last tournament in DB yet I wonder why Tien never decided to train with weighted clothing to try and surpass Gokou. Though I do think that physically Gokou is probably the strongest character in DB even though he isn't the most powerful. Well him or Vegeta. As for the ten ton thing...He couldn't train with it. Which is a bit different than actually lifting. Course at base he's we know he can't lift forty tons as it was pulling him down but I actually wouldn't be that surprised if he could lift over half that amount just not train with it.
@Combat_Guru - Please don't start on the Vegetto thing. He did absolutely nothing to prove his stats except prove he was much more powerful and smarter than Buu which has nothing to do with strength, speed, or anything else. He's unable to be gauged properly.
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Last edited by Kento on May 11th, 2008 at 02:06 AM
Why wont you just leave the goku threads, you seem to have something against him.
Like everyone was saying, base form goku can lift 1000's of tons due to him punching/kicking beings through mountains, throwing people out of space.... etc. Goku moves beyond light speed and his durability is almost as high as can get.
Because I have nothing against DBZ, and just because I don't like Gokou has nothing to do with anything I've said. Gokou has never thrown anybody out into space..Ginyu hasn't either but you like to cling to that. And yea....they don't move light speed but you like to ignore all the feats that can actually have numbers attached and make up numbers for ones that can't. And when was Vegeta knocked through mountaints? And why during the Buu Saga was Vegeta hit and only embedded into a mountain? And at base form Gokou isn't going to be lifting no thousands of tons. Show me anything close to one hundred tons being lifted from the manga by Gokou at any point.
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I dont have to show you anything because whatever I tell you you will ignore. Why get into a debate with a character that you hate. The reason I know that goku can do the things that they do is because he is the most powerful character in the universe. The reason I put goku so far on the charts when fighting other characters is because people as low as frieza was established as a universe destroying being that even gods feared.
It cant get no clearer then that. Goku was sent to a damn planet as a baby and it was stated that he had enough power and strength to take over the planet. A baby taking over a planet, you need to be the one that needs to think. Goku as a child at the age of 6 took down an entire army, again you need to be the one who needs to think. Goku at the age of 6 disappeared COMPLETELY from a audience face and did a combat move that would have taken minutes in milliseconds. Goku at 13 withstood a blast that destroyed an entire island and was standing there like nothing happened. He basically took a damn nuke. All of this is regular dragonball. Raditz on ahead was basically gods. Raditz held enough power to destroy a damn sun. Move so fast that it appeared instantaneous movement. Caught a bullet and thumped it back destroying a car. He basically held the planet earth in his hands and could have destroyed the planet at any time.
Your hate against dbz makes me ignore you post because I already know what to expect. Just because you hate goku you dont have to get other people to follow you.
Everyone ? I see a couple DBZ fanboys claiming it other than that no one of reasonable intelligence or common sense would claim such things.Perhaps you are the one who needs to leave as you obviously know nothing of the characters or you wouldn't make such ridiculous claims.
In the ignoring of my post you must have missed the part where I said I have nothing against DB. I actually like it. And I don't hate Gokou. Not liking somebody and hating somebody are a completely different thing. Gokou just happens to be the bottom of the list of people I like in DB or anime in general. But Gohan is even lower but that's not making me say Gohan is weaker when he's the more powerful one.
Saiyans were a warrior race. They were stronger than humans. The sent babies only to planets that weren't threats. So yea him coming to take over Earth isn't that big of a deal when his race is so much stronger and he could take a missle and it only sting as a kid. And um..wasn't Gokou 12 when DB started?
Also when was Freeza ever said to be universe destroying? Or am I reading that wrong?
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No your reading it right lol and Freeza was only capable of destroying planets I don't know where he got the Universe crap from.And what Gods feared him King Kai lol thats about a piss poor example of a God.
I was hoping I wasn't. *laughs* I don't think any other god knew about Freeza except King Kai lol..well besides Kaioshin but he sure didn't fear Freeza.
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Um a baby taking over a planet that has one of the best military in the universe. Thats a great feat since beings in thor to hulks caliber has problems taking out small armies. Then this is goku as a baby.
You hate dbz, just deal with it. I can tell that you hate the fact that they are pitted against people that you like and people say that they would decimate them. You throw away things that a character has said about another character even though the character can feel the kind of power that being possess. By the way king ki said that if freeza wasnt destroyed his rage and power would consume and eventually destroy the universe.
Wolverine and sabertooth are strong, do you think that they can take over a planet. Hulk is strong, do you think that he can take over a planet. Spiderman is strong, do you think that he can take over a planet. Hell rhino is hella off a strong, do you also think that he could take over a planet. Again goku was a baby about 4 and he was marked a a planet destroyer. He didnt even have the ability to shoot energy blast but again was marked as a planet destroying being. Anime>Comics.
Got a question for ya. Goku took a nuke and wasnt fazed by it and this was during the dragonball era, superman prime took a nuke and was temporarily knocked the hell out and when he got back up to fight monarch he stated that the blast hurt. See the difference.
And no, goku wasnt twelve when dragonball started, goku was a baby when he fought king picollo, a being that possessed enough power in his finger tips to destroy a city (basically shoot nukes out of his fingers).
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Last edited by carver9 on May 11th, 2008 at 06:34 AM
King kai is a god that other gods answered to. He was over the entire solar system that goku lived in. What is it that you think that made him weaker in your eyes because he is powerful as hell.
The baby was barley stronger than humans. He was going to grow up and take it over. Plus he had the ability to get ten times stronger going Giant Ape which helps alot also. And Thor and Hulk aren't exactly hampered by armies.
To bad you have no idea what I like. Please I like Naruto more than I like Gokou but you don't see me saying Naruto wins against him. Stop telling me what I like and don't like cause I know for a fact you have no clue as to what I think. The only thing I've ever said wasn't going to happen that was said in DB was Cell being able to destroy the solar system with his Kamehameha. Kid Buu fired a much stronger blast and he only destroyed Earth. It all adds up to Cell lying.
No they can't take over the planet. Want to know why? Because the million other heroes out there to fight against them. On their own without interference from other super-powered beings...Hulk and Thor would easily do it. Wolverine or Sabes could probably also. Rhino is an idiot...he couldn't do it. Spider-man...he probably could also.
Gokou wasn't a planet destroyer...Earth wasn't to be destroyed it was meant to be taken over. Big difference in being able to destroy a planet and being stronger than everybody else on it and killing them.
A nuke..wow. That's actually nothing compared to what high-tier characters can shrug off like it's nothing. And um....Gokou wasn't a baby during DB. What are you talking about?
As for King Kai...he's on the low end of gods. Nappa was probably stronger, and Vegeta was a lot stronger than King Kai...he's not that powerful.
And goodnight to you also.
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