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Then don't. Just because he's top tier doesn't mean he can be SS. But he is top tier, nonetheless.
Not really, he lacks several things top-tiers have. He can't even go lightspeed, nor can he lift as much as most High Heralds. He lacks the versatility of most as well.


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He can't even go lightspeed

Instant Transmission anyone?


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Instant Transmission anyone?
Show me him using that in a highspeed fight(canon fight). Also, that is more like teleportation, Nightcrawler can teleport, is he a High Herald? Hahahaha...no.


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Show me him using that in a highspeed fight(canon fight).

Um, against Cell? stick out tongue



He did it against Pikkon too.

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Also, that is more like teleportation, Nightcrawler can teleport, is he a High Herald? Hahahaha...no.

Of course not. Kurt can't teleport from planet to planet like Goku can with Instant Transmission, so it's dumb to compare the 2.

At any rate, I agree that Goku's not really top tier, so don't get me wrong there. Was just pointing out that he can go lightspeed with the IT.


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Not really, he lacks several things top-tiers have. He can't even go lightspeed, nor can he lift as much as most High Heralds. He lacks the versatility of most as well.


how much can a high herald lift? cause im sure goku can lift more than 4000 tons at ssj 3

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He only used IT to dodge Cell's attack, right afterwards Cell started blitzing him and IT didn't help him one bit.

Also Pikkon/Piku-han isn't canon, he's a filler character


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He only used IT to dodge Cell's attack, right afterwards Cell started blitzing him and IT didn't help him one bit.

Also Pikkon/Piku-han isn't canon, he's a filler character


mike whats your opinio n on the max weight goku can lift ssj 3

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No idea, it's hard to quantify. I would say at least 100 tons though, maybe over 1000


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No idea, it's hard to quantify. I would say at least 100 tons though, maybe over 1000


well not really. he went from 2 tons to 40 tons and still could go way over 40 in just ssj1. its at least a factor of ten each transformation, which would put him way over 400 tons in ssj3

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how much can a high herald lift? cause im sure goku can lift more than 4000 tons at ssj 3
Superman pushes planets and is a High Herald, Silver Surfur is physically comparable to an angry Hulk, and Thor fished a giant snake wrapped around Earth off with a giant fishing pole.


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It was never stated how much stronger he got at each transformation. That's nothing but speculation.


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For those of you saying that SSJ2 Goku could be top tier, look at this scan:

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Now that's Super Perfect Cell there. He was nearly as strong as Gohan at SSJ2, maybe even stronger. He says he has enough power to destroy the solar system in his Kamehameha beam, which I fairly sure of considering Vegeta could have destroyed Earth with a pl of 18,000 and that Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta when is pl was at a mere 530,000. Cell's power in this form is into the hundreds of millions, so I wouldn't be surprised if he possessed this amount of power. I said all that to say this, SSJ2 Goku during the Buu Saga was far superior to SSJ2 Gohan during the Cell Games who was slightly greater, or equal to Super Perfect Cell. So...

SSJ2 Goku>>>>SSJ2 Kid Gohan>=Super Perfect Cell who could wipe out a solar system. How many other top tiers can boast this strength? I know Spartan 3.0 or The Sentry couldn't.


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grinning, that argument has been used 50 million times and i believe that cell coulda destroyed a couple planets, but not a solar system. that mi amigo is called a boast.

now i believe goku ssj 3 could lift 4k tons and up so ima say he's a high herald.


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Except that that blast only created a small crater....

He was obviously bluffing


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Saiyan/Vegeta Saga Power Levels

Farmer w/ shotgun - 5
Turtle - .001
Master Roshi - 167
Krillen - 216
Son Goku - 320
w/o weighted clothing - 416
Kamehameha - 1000
Piccolo - 305
w/o weighted clothing - 408
special beam cannon - 1330
2nd try - 1440
Son Gohan -1 to 710
Son Gohan enraged - 1,350
Raditz - 1,200

Yajirobe - 200
Yamcha - 232
after training - 1,530
Krillin (after training) - 1,650
Tien - 280
after training - 1,810
Chao-Tzu (after training) - 1,230
Son Gohan - 1,400
Son Gohan’s Masenko (enraged) - 3,000
Oozaru - 14,000
Piccolo - 2,500
Saibamen – 1,200 each
*Nappa - 4,500
Son Goku - 5,000
*Son Goku powered up (sans Kaioken) - 9,000+
Kaioken x2 - 18,000
Kaioken x3 - 26,000
Kaioken x4 + kamehameha - 38,000
Vegeta - 18,000
Gallick Gun - 32,000
Oozaru - 180,000

*I know that 4,000 is Nappa’s official/perennial rating, but I think his power level was slightly greater than that. He simply knocked away Son Gohan’s Masenko. And we are all familiar with the famous phrase “It’s over 9,000!!!” which is why I put Son Goku’s P.L. after powering up at 9,000 plus. P.S. Also I don’t think Goku started using the Kaioken attack until he darted after Nappa.
Saiyan/Vegeta Saga Power Levels (Aftermath)
Son Goku (healed) – 15,000
Son Gohan (healed) – 2,800
Krillin – 2,000

Namek/Frieza Saga

*Frieza's two Henchmen -500 each
Cui - 18,770
Dodoria - 21,000
Zarbon - 22,500
Zarbon transformed - 30,000
Gohan - 2,800
after Guru - 24,000
Krillin - 2,000
after Guru - 19,000
Vegeta - 24,000
*Vegeta after Zarbon battle - 35,000+
Namekian Warriors - 800 to 7,500
*The first two guys that Gohan and Krillin encounter were pretty weak. They died after one kick a piece. So I put them at 500 at the most.

*Guldo - 10,000+
Recoome - 50,000+
Burter - 60,000
Jeice - 65,000
Ginyu - 90,000
Ginyu’s max - 120,000
In Goku - 23,000
Gohan - 24,000
Krillin – 19,000
Vegeta (powered up vs. Recoome) - 40,000 (Might not have given his all against Zarbon the 2nd time).
*Vegeta after Recoome battle - 95,000
* Vegeta after Ginyu battle – 180,000+???
Goku - 90,000
Kaioken x2 - 180,000
Gohan (after Senzu) - 50,000
Krillin (after senzu) - 23,000
Nail - 42,000

*Guldo got owned pretty easily by Vegeta here. He’s really only on the force because of his Time Freezing/Telekinetic abilities. Also it’s safe to assume that either Gohan or Krillin could have beaten Guldo fairly easily as well. Now, I’m very confused about Vegeta’s power level after the Ginyu force battle. After he defeats a severely weakened Ginyu, he rests and then confronts Freeza and appears to be his equal. WTF, right? If we really take a look at this it would mean that Vegeta’s power level went from about 85,000-90,000 to 450,000-500,000 in a matter of minutes to hours (which I find simply impossible considering that Goku was at the same level when he arrived and only jumped to 300,000 after he healed up). Either Freeza was lying about his power level in his first form (which I doubt), or he was holding back. So, I’m gonna use my own discretion. Feel free to comment/correct.

Frieza - 530,000
2nd form – 1,000,950-1,005,000 (Frieza says his P.L. is over one million, but he could been exaggerating a bit as many DBZ villains tend to, but I gave him a slight benefit of the doubt.)
3rd form - 1,250,000
Final form - 1,350,000
50% - 6,700,000
70% - 9,450,000
100% - 13,500,000
Battle worn - 11,000,000 and dropping ( I think Frieza was kind of close to SSJ Son Goku’s full power level, which is why I ditched the 12,000,000 that I usually see on DBZ websites).
Krillin - 23,000
Son Gohan - 50,000
1st enraged – 950,000
after Dende's heal - 200,000
2nd enraged (Masenko) - 1,200,000
3rd enraged - 2,500,000 (I think this is when he hits Freeza when he thinks he killed his father. Freeza looked like he went back down to 50 -25 percent of his full power which would translate into 6,700,000 to 3,375,000 or so. And he lets Gohan hit him or is caught off guard iirc).
Vegeta (full power) – 250,000 - 300,000+???
After Dende's heal - 1,100,000
after revival - 1,550,000
Piccolo before fusion with Nail – 80,000 (est.)
Piccolo after fusion - 860,000
Piccolo w/o weighted clothing - 1,002,500
After Dende's heal - 1,040,000
Son Goku - 300,000
Kaioken x5 - 1,500,000 (used naturally throughout early Frieza fight)
Kaioken x10 - 3,000,000
Kaioken x20 - 6,000,000
Spirit Bomb - 10,000,000 (Wasn’t very strong. Namek was not a lush planet and the surrounding planets Goku drew spirit energy from looked even more lackluster.)
Super Saiyan - 15,000,000

Note: There are no officially listed power levels after this saga. Anything you read from here on in are simply educated guesses.


Frieza's higher henchmen - 7,500 each
*Mecha Frieza - 9,500,000+ (I’ve read mixed opinions about the ‘Furiza Bot.’ Some say the Z fighters who were on Namek e.g. Gohan, Krillin said Frieza’s ki was greater than on Namek, while others said Gohan said “his ki gets even stronger” when Yamcha asks him if all that energy is Frieza’s.)
King Cold - 11,175,000 (His ki is said to be similar to Frieza’s ki in terms of power so that could be anywhere between 10,000,000 and 13,500,000 so that’s exactly where I’ll put him).
Trunks (suppressed) - 5
Full power - 1,650,000
Super Saiyan - 17,000,000
Son Goku - 2,450,000
Super Saiyan - 21,000,000+ (He used his damned finger against Trunks’ sword! That’s some badass, gangsta shit right there).
Vegeta - 1,850,000
Son Gohan -245,000 (He wasn’t really doing anything strenuous during Goku’s absence.)
Tien - 70,000 (Tien, Yamcha, and Chao-Tzu owned the Ginyu force pretty badly. Maybe these pl’s should be higher. MAYBE!)
Yamcha - 65,000
Chao-Tzu - 25,000+
Krillin - 75,000 (I believe Krillin is a little stronger than Tien now after having his potential unlocked by the eldest Namek, and because of his ordeals on Namek.
Piccolo - 1,400,000

Cell Saga 3 years later...

Goku - 4,000,000
SSJ - 27,000,000
Sick - 10,000,000
Vegeta -4,250,000
SSJ - 27,500,000 (If veggie head was indeed more powerful than Goku here, it wasn’t by much, so I’ll give or take 500,000+).
Android 19 – 10,000,000
after energy - 12,000,000
Android 20 - 11,500,000
after energy - 14,000,000
Piccolo - 15,500,000
Trunks (SSJ) - 19,500,000
Tien – 500,000
Yamcha - 220,000
Krillin - 550,000
Gohan - 1,500,000
Android 17 - 29,000,000 (He was quite even with Kamiccolo.)
Android 18 - 28,500,000
Android 16 - 36,000,000
Cell (first appears) - 23,000,000
Kamiccolo - 29,000,000 (He was quite even with Android 17.)

Cell (after absorbing humans) - 34,500,000
After 17 - 65,000,000
After 18 (what is sensed) – 140,000,000
(Actual power) - 175,000,000+
USSJ 1 Vegeta - 75,000,000
USSJ 2 Vegeta (If he’d actually been foolish enough to use this level of power in battle.) – 135,000,000
Final flash - 110,000,000
USSJ 1 Trunks - 73,000,000
USSJ 2 Trunks - 130,000,000

Goku – 7,000,000
USSJ 1 Goku – 130,000,000
USSJ 2 Goku (If he’d actually been foolish enough to use this level of power in battle.) - 250,000,000
Full Power SSJ Goku – 170,000,000 (Vegeta was outclassed by Goku's new found power at merely 50 percent. It's safe to say Goku eclipsed his power. Goku and Cell were nearly on the same level during their fight. But I have to give the nod to cell here.)
Shunkan Ido Kamehameha – 200,000,000
Post kamehameha – 60,000,000 and dropping
Vegeta (super) - 110,000,000
Trunks (super) - 105,000,000
Piccolo - 55,000,000
Cell (Perfect) - 175,000,000+
After Senzu and at full power - 200,000,000+
Buff (USSJ) - 300,000,000+
Super Perfect - 380,000,000 (Seems as if he was pretty close to SSJ2 Gohan’s pl.)
Cell's Kamehameha - 430,000,000+
Cell Jr.'s - 105,000,000
Gohan - 1,500,000
After spirit room - 7,250,000
Son Gohan Full Power SSJ -180,000,000
SSJ2 - 385,000,000 (Whew! That’s ****ing high.)
Injured - 190,000,000 or possibly lower.
Kamehameha - 370,000,000-430,000,000 (One he struggled with before Goku’s pep talk)
Father-son Super Kamehameha - 460,000,000

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hey are the eblish shonen jump books official manga .... i have volume 20 where goku is lifting 2 tons on each weighted strap a total of 8 tons?


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i still say ssj3 goku strongest of all


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hey are the english shonen jump books official manga & therefore canan.... i have volume 20 where goku is lifting 2 tons on EACH limb not overall 2 tons why were people saying it was not a total 8 ?

i have it in my house right now......


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