Here's a thought....why dont you tell me how Dumbles can counter a force hold? or a force choke? or any of the other force powers Yoda can throw at him with just a thought?
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If Dumbles counters BEFORE Yoda attacks, then yes, its possible for him to evade, but if Yoda gets him in a Force grip, he cant move, therefore he cant do spells, can he?
Yoda has the advantage here, he can use the force with only a thought, whereas Dumables will either have to speak an incantation, or do some kind of wand gesture.
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Well, if we're using the "who knows" as a valid point, then maybe Dumbledore can snap his fingers and make Yoda's failing heart stop, ya know, "who knows".
No. I am saying that you using Yoda's extreme age as a plus, could actually be a negative, as he died of old age at around 900.
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My point: If we don't go by what is canon and we start making up any silly scenario we like and justifying it with a "who knows" disclaimer at the end, then there isn't any sensible point in having a hypothetical debate over two fictional characters in a fight... as stupid as that is to begin with.
Translation: Yoda doesnt display his full powers in the movies, so this is how I am gonna win.
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im just saying. I've never seen anything that would suggest that a jedi can defend against magic. Magic, however has the advantage of producing just about anything you can imagine. It may be cheap, but a warlocks arsenal has to offer much more than a jedi's. A jedi must abide by certain rules. A wizard makes up their own rules.
the suggestion that we havent seen yoda's full potential is probably true. In a new jedi order. Lukes son brought down a mountain side using his force power. So, this has to make one wonder what Yoda could do in his prime.
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I thought it was common knowledge that we ARE talking about Yoda in his prime.
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Yoda outdueld Dooku in AotC, and he fought him a second time on a planet that was literally steeped in the darkside (Big power boost for Dooku), and beat him again in a lightsaber duel, while simultaneously using the force to keep a women that Dooku had thrown out a window as a distraction from falling to her death.
Dooku is not even on Yoda's level, really.
As for Sideous... it's debatable who would have won if they had kept fighting. The only reason Yoda "lost" the fight is because he's lighter, smaller, and was closer to the edge of the platform. Thus when the force lightning exploded he flew farther back and off the edge.
At that point he had lost his lightsaber, and Palaptine's clone security gaurds were on their way. He couldn't hope to beat all of them without his lightsaber. So he fled.
He lost because of circumstances beyond his control, not because he was outclassed.
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