Not to mention there is very little that seperates us from other species, other than what we ourselve hold out to be hugely defining. Except we ignore the advantage we take of those slight differences as a means to define ourselves as seperate and special.
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Your statement seems to better define my point earlier that creationists try to find as many "deitizing" traits as possible so they can go 'ZOMG!!! LOOK! I TOLD YOU WE WERE SPECIAL!!!"
essentially, the study says, holy crap, we had no idea, look at how much variance there could really be.
afaik there have only ever been two entire human genomes mapped, so there is no way to draw strong conclusions either way. However, it is certainly not 99.9%, even before this, the American Anthropological Association, in their statement describing why race does not exist mind you, agreed to a 6% genetic difference between racial groups.
ohhhhh...hmmmmmmm.....damn. It is really hard for me to say. My religion tells me that I should say yes. My own personal beliefs, which are not necessarily the beliefs of my religion, also say yes that we are/were created in the image of God....but these very same personal beliefs say that no God exists.
I know you're razor-thin close to being an atheist, but almost doesn't count in atheism. This is neither horse shoes nor hand grenades. So, if your religion tells you anything and you default to it out of obligation, you are, de facto, a subscriber. It doesn't matter if rational thought tells you what an answer should be if it weren't for your religion, if you default to the amibiguity provided by your subscription to that religion to explain why you're of two minds about it.
In other words, subscription to a specific religion doesn't imply a 'have your cake and eat it too' luxury.
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I know you're razor-thin close to being an atheist, but almost doesn't count in atheism. This is neither horse shoes nor hand grenades. So, if your religion tells you anything and you default to it out of obligation, you are, de facto, a subscriber. It doesn't matter if rational thought tells you what an answer should be if it weren't for your religion, if you default to the amibiguity provided by your subscription to that religion to explain why you're of two minds about it.
In other words, subscription to a specific religion doesn't imply a 'have your cake and eat it too' luxury.
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You are correct. There is only 1 or 0, black or white, yes or no. There is no such thing as a gray area. Believing in any form of transcendent reality automatically disqualifies you from being an atheist.
Both my religion AND atheism say that I cannot hold my dualistic view.
That's usually how it works with religion, right? what do the theists call that blind following that you are talking about.....wait, I know!!!!....................FAITH!
Since I call myself a Mormon, I have to accept, to a certain extent, what beliefs comprise a Mormon. Else I consider myself a Mormon?
I can chose to believe what ever I want, right? I can have my cake and eat it too AND have some pie and eat it too. The two may not mix well, but I can at least sit down at the table and try them until I figure out which one tastes the best...and here in lies the explanation for how it is possible that:
"There is only 1 or 0, black or white, yes or no. There is no such thing as a gray area. Believing in any form of transcendent reality automatically disqualifies you from being an atheist.
Both my religion AND atheism say that I cannot hold my dualistic view."
The cake is still cake and the pie is still pie. Eating the pie does not change the fact that the cake is still cake. There can be no pie-cake. Only pie or only cake.
The sentient beings... nice semantic discussion but going nowhere. Hiding behind defnitions and the questioning of defintions is nice and safe to hide yourself.
And calling names is very civilised... You can say whatever you want, but I never called you any names. I never called you stupid, idiot or puckered up poo hole... too bad you have to stoop so low. You seem intelligent and sentient enough to do without that kind of behaviour. But it's good you admit to aggressive behaviour. Glad we agree on that one.
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Well, yes, that's because agnosticism can mean two things. One that you don't believe we can or will ever know and the other that we don't know at the moment. I suppose the first is the real, classic agnosticism. The second is more general scepticism, though it gets referred to as agnosticism, too.
The genetic similarity has to do with how recently we branched off from one another in the evolutionary process. Nothing more. We can map our similarities/differences to other species, and in doing so approximate how far back (usually in millions of years) when we branched off from various species.
If it makes a creationist argument about difference between species, I fail to see how it has religious implications, or indeed anything but purely scientific import.
Anyway, inamilist handled the stats stuff better than I could've.
And it's good you aren't man enough to own it too. Nice way to be a coward.
Again, thank you for posting several accusations, none of which have a damn thing to do with the thread. Cheers on continuing to be irrelevant.
How important is your religion if you look a it like it was the one on sale the day you went into the religion store to purchase it?
Being accused of wanting to have your cake and eat it too is akin to being told you want two things that can't be had at the same time. Pie is irrelevant to the idiom. Skepticism is one thing, but when you constantly dismiss that skepticism in favor of your religious beliefs, you don't really have any claim to atheism.
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