Why does time matter? Messi has surpassed many footballers in the past 15 years already, we're not debating longevity are we? I've not seen many people better than him in general, much less at his age, this fast, with this much potential to grow. If it was Pato, fair enough, he still has a bit to go to prove he can keep it up. Messi's hype period has passed and he's still living up to it, surpassing it even, in a team of floundering greatness.
As for Toure, like you said, defensive effectiveness. He came from playing for NO club, essentially, to being one of the world's best defenders. How you don't rate him is ridiculous. I could say the same for you, though. You support Spurs, I find it ridiculous to deny Fabregas. Van Persie I'll give you.
I would place a player who was consistently brilliant for 15years higher in the list than a player who was better for 1 or 2. Messi, Fabregas and Van Persie (especially the latter, dont really see why you chose Van Persie) wouldn't go on my lists, although in a few years if Messi is still playing as well as he is now... he'd be top.
I thought Deathblow supported Wolves?
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Thinking about it, I'd like to drop Henry from my list and put in Il Divin Codino. Dat boi waz de mad note, yo.
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Everyone has orgasms over Ronaldo when he scores as a result of goalmouth scrambles.
It's the reverse of what people like Henry, Messi, Ronaldinho and Kaka' have earned. Praise and hype for continually doing amazing things in their primes.
Ronaldo does a couple of good things and now everyone sees it all as amazing. Like Owen, Gerrard and Rooney. Except this is worse, cos every c*nt hated Ronaldo after Rooney got sent off.
Indeed. Speaking of 'if Ronaldo did it', if this was the back catalogue of Ronaldo, I think the hype would throw the Earth out of orbit.
In fact if you look at Ronaldo's season, it's been a prolific season, with very few great overall performances. Mostly regular striker goals. Yet if you read any of the hype, he's Maradona mixed with Best.
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You gays are funny. What other striker - let alone 'winger/forward' - has had a 35 goals in 35 games ratio in a top league in recent times?
As for the boy Robin...van Persie is older than Ronaldo, more inconsistent than Ronaldo, gets injured more than Ronaldo, and has never scored more than 11 league goals in a season! How is he even relevant?
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That's like saying Messi isn't as good because he's about as injury prone as Darren Anderton.
Ronaldo couldn't do what Van Persie does in those videos, save for score a free kick now and then.
Van Persie isn't about running in from the same wing, or the midfield, and doing a few stepovers. He's also a team player, unlike Ronaldo, who has expressly said his main aim is to be regarded as the best player in the world. I believe a majority of Man Utd's points have come from Ronaldo and the fact that he has had a prolific season, which he has. I'm not saying he hasn't played some good football, I'm saying he isn't anywhere near that quality of player, at all.
He's a great goalscorer, he's not a great player. People are getting too carried away because he's the flavour of the year.
Ian Wright, like Cantona, was standout because they were players better than surrounding players. Except Wright, who arguably had better players around him anyway. Wright was just a good goalscorer, like C-Ron. Except he had much more skill.
ronaldo is a great player and would take him over van persie. Both class though. When ronaldo turns it on against the big teams and gets some european trophys, then we can talk. He is on the right road though
He's had A good season. He was never remarkable for his country, or Man Utd, truly, before this. This is what could be called his first "outstanding" season.
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