He's most certainly not the best player in the Premier League, there are actually many better PLAYERS, and no, not all of them play for Arsenal. Goalscorers? Perhaps not, but players. There are many players who've scored less than him per season, but that wouldn't make them lesser players.
That wasn't what you said, you said there are no better players in the Prem, there are, many.
As for form, goalscoring, he's obviously the best. I don't think he is playing the most enjoyable football. I see nothing but running and stepovers. I can probably tell you what Ronaldo is about to do in the game right now. Though enjoyment is subjective.
Ronaldo's hype isn't based around goals, though. That's why he is good, but the hype suggests he's the most amazing footballer ever, which he isn't.
If RVN got this many goals, which he has, he wouldn't (didn't) get the same hype. That's because Ronaldo is a 'winger', and strikers are supposed to score goals. If he was a 'centre back' who happened to lurk in the box for most of the game, it wouldn't make him the new Beckenbauer.
I don't get it. Before Ronaldo started scoring ridiculous amounts of goals and taking just about every game he plays in by the scruff of the neck as he has the past couple of seasons, the reason people weren't rating him was because he didn't provide enough ''end product''. Now he's the top scorer (and undoubtedly the best current player) in the Premiership, top scorer in the Champions League (35 yard run and bullet header against Roma tonight, anyone?) and top scorer in any league in Europe this season, and people still claim he's overrated? What more does the boy have to do? I sense bitterness...or maybe some peoples' idea of an ''end product'' is more than (at least) over 35 goals in all competitions, and lord knows how many assisists and game-changing moments of inspiration. Kid's best player in the world at the moment, like it or not. He can do stuff during those goal mouth scrambles, such as the backheel against Villa, or things when his team isn't playing as well it should, the header against Roma a couple of hours ago, because he's that ****ing good, and confident. AC, you're a logical guy, and if by your logic Messi has proved his hype time and again, then surely Ronaldo has too, and then some. AND that's without taking into consideration the exceptional performances all the way through Euro 2004 and most of the World Cup in 2006 most people seem to forget because of controversies or whatever. **** all that.
Without comparing him to any other player, a list of things Ronaldo can do at a world class level, and has proven time and again:
- Dribble
- Sprint
- Shrug off strong challenges
- Pass (long and short)
- Shoot from long range
- Finish from close range
- Win the ball in the air
- Score from in the air
- Penalties
- Free kicks
- Off the ball movement/runs
None of those attributes are debatable. As of right now, he's a complete player, and is proving it at the highest level. What.
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Factually prove he is the best current complete player in the league.
Taking every game by the scruff of the neck? Oh come on, he's probably straight, so he'll need some of that penis later in life. Try not to erode it with your saliva.
I've already said the finish was brilliant, but let's say 90 minutes and nothing else besides that. Cos that's what happened.
Every time he tried a stepover and a "run", he got jacked.
That is precisely why he is overrated. This "Like it or not.", "Can't talk, got the flavour of the month in my mouth." bs.
He's the best goalscorer in Europe at the moment, that doesn't make him the best player in the world. He's not a better player than Messi, Kaka', Fabregas or say Eto'o overall. He's not a better "player" than Van Persie, Mancini, Ronaldinho, Pato or Torres at taking on men and beating them, or making something out of absolutely nothing on his own. He just has a better ability to score goals right now, like Owen did than most people back in the day.
He cannot do what those players do.
Unless you can factually prove he is the best natural football player in the world right now, stop claiming he is.
He was pretty anonymous during both campaigns. That was back when literally all he knew was to run fast and then try the stepover. He's much better now, but he's not the best player in the world. Even tonight Roma had him figured out. Every single time he made a run and got slightly barged he started crying, because he was marked tight and kept out of the game.
It's his ability to pounce on a moment's lapse that makes him good, which is when he scored a great, opportunistic goal. He is very good for certain reasons, but that does not make him good for every other reason.
A quality required to be a footballer, Deathblow.
As above.
Like tonight when he got barged off almost every run? Like I said, against any on point defense, he's going nowhere. Roma did it, Arsenal did it, A.C. Milan did it.
If you're giving him credit because he can do this, might as well give him credit for f*cking walking about.
Pass, shoot, score and take penalties? Shrug off challenges?
All this you praise Ronaldo for, and yet he's somehow better than Van Persie, Kaka', Messi, Ballack, Torres, Fabregas, Berbatov?
He isn't better at penalties than Van Persie or Ballack. He's not better at free kicks than Juninho. He's not better at shrugging off challenges than the likes of Drogba, Kaka', Hleb or even Berbatov. He's not better at shooting from long range than a lot of people, there are much better poachers (Defoe), Adebayor is much better at winning air balls.
He's good at what you said, but so are many players. He's the best pure goalscorer in the world right now, but just because he can competently do other stuff, does not make him better than everyone else who can do that other stuff better than him. It takes a second to add to your goalscoring tally, but you can't teach what the likes of Messi have. He doesn't have it.
Will we ever see him do against ANY team what Messi did against Getafe? What Ronaldinho has done? What Van Persie did against Blackburn? What Kaka' did to...Man Utd? No. He simply does not have the ability.
What? Try again without the knee-jerk reaction, that's what.
He wins games. Lots of them. All of my points stand. Run a survey amongst the continent's defenders if you want the facts.
Excellent phrasing. But a ''gay joke'' nonetheless. Thus:
[/end of me respecting or taking notice of anything you say on sport or any other subject]
Because, to be honest, I'm just getting wound up by you now. Not because you disagree with me (which I know is what you will immediately think), in fact I appreciate the challenges you always throw up against common ideas and whatnot. I've always found you interesting. I'm just sick of you talking to people as if they're stupid. And I don't really want to log on to an internet forum, something separate from my real life, and read stuff that makes me angry.
So go for it, get scathing, pedantic and needlessley aggressive on my b*tch ass! I've done something I've never done before, and put you on my ignore list, so feel free.
The burden of proof is on you. I'm not the one making a claim first, I'm just asking you to prove yours.
Surveys are nothing but opinion, and he doesn't win games, Man Utd win games. Run that survey past Vidic and Ferdinand, two people who have saved Man Utd a lot more than Ronaldo.
Nice technique. Make a bullshit post as if you're Rambo, then when countered by very true and viable points, disregard the entire thing because of a one line remark that got you pissed off. Mature in the highest.
I'm tired of talking to people who feel they know what they're on about, when all they're doing is following the flavour of the month and exaggerating the already great goalscoring talents of a man, into somehow him being the world's best overall football player, undoubtedly.
I don't have much more room on my palm to be honest.
Perhaps do well to learn about football not dictated by the media first. Oh, and you did say you supported Spurs. Conveniently you've dropped them now that they're 11th, not 5th. It just goes to show that you clearly love whoever is in favour.
ronaldo is not overated lol. he can take players on better than van persie and pato aswell. pato shouldnt be named in the same breath as ronaldo. not yet anyway
no one is following the flavour of the month ac. ronaldo is the best player in the world at the moment. i think you would just rather be different.
i still think kaka is the best in the world overall. but at the moment it is ronaldo by far.
1. Cristiano Ronaldo, Manchester United
Games started 22, Goals 21 (leads league), Assists 2, Points 23 (1.08 points per 90 minutes)
2. Emmanuel Adebayor, Arsenal
Games started 23, Goals 19, Assists 3, Points 22 (.94 points per 90 minutes)
3. Wayne Rooney, Manchester United
Games started 17, Goals 8, Assists 7, Points 15 (.93 points per 90 minutes)
4. Salomon Kalou, Chelsea
Games started 14, Goals 5, Assists 8, Points 13 (.91 points per 90 minutes)
5. Fernando Torres, Liverpool
Games started 20, Goals 15, Assists 2, Points 17 (.86 points per 90 minutes)
6. Cesc Fabregas, Arsenal
Games started 22, Goals 7, Assists 12 (leads league), Points 19 (.84 points per 90 minutes)
7. Robbie Keane, Tottenham Hotspur
Games started 20, Goals 12, Assists 5, Points 17 (.84 points per 90 minutes)
8. Dimitar Berbatov, Tottenham Hotspur
Games started 21, Goals 10, Assists 8, Points 18 (.81 points per 90 minutes)
9. Carlos Teves, Manchester United
Games started 24, Goals 11, Assists 6, Points 17 (.74 points per 90 minutes)
10. Ashley Young, Aston Villa
Games started 26, Goals 4, Assists 12, Points 16 (.63 points per 90 minutes)
This list indicates that the current situation of the EPL is that a few big clubs own the most productive players. It does not claim to say that a player on this list is automatically better than another player. Someone like Steven Gerrard is the second most productive central midfielder n the EPL, behind only Fabregas, but he unsurprisingly falls behind in his direct offensive contribution several forwards. Forwards score and so get the most points. The three non-strikers on this list - Ronaldo, Fabregas and Young - are all having phenomenal years.
I actually haven't seen this level of fellation since your Peter Crouch days, and it concerns me that you're not even joking.
I can pick two Van Persie goals than Ronaldo will never have the skill or ability to replicate, much less be better at taking on players overall. He's a one trick pony.
When has Ronaldo ever done anything of that magnitude? Never. Because he doesn't have the better overall natural ability on the ball. He couldn't do it.
If you cannot factually prove Ronaldo is the best in the world, stop acting like he is and I'm just not admitting it. Prove it beyond opinion and I will be forced to agree, but you can't, cos it's opinion.
Furthermore, those stats don't even reflect the greatness you claim he has.
It's stupid to say "Any manager would pick him over these players.", because we both know for a fact that Wenger wouldn't.
I don't think any manager in the world would pick Van Persie over Ronaldo. He can only handle about 20 games a season. Plus his scoring record ain't all that and a bag of chips, yet he's considered a striker.
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im not denying persies qualitys am i? his technique is better than ronaldos when it comes to shooting. does that make him a better player than ronaldo? err no.
how do you know wenger would pick van persie over ronaldo? have you asked him?
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