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Haha, funny, you must realize that he uses this line of attack whenever a thread got really long and he lied about having said something. Fair enough, I take that as your admittance of it.
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Actually, the thread was settled after the first page when talking about Star Wars canon Luke, so we all decided to make the discussion about EU Luke, as he would be more of a match.
I think everyone in this thread agrees, dadudemon and Rogue Jedi included, that Luke in the movies would not have any chance agaisnt Neo.
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Fair enough. You didn't seem to aknowledge it and Impediment seemed to continue to ask for it. But hey, I guess maybe you all knew it and played this little charade for your own amusement.
Because Smith's power was no longer bound by the Matrix, thus he was a problem for a bit. Agents were also getting SLIGHT upgrades to the code, but Neo instantly adjusted to it. It would be a bit shit if he just blew them all up and there was no fighting.
He's capable, we saw him do it to Smith. If he did it all the time, it'd be boring. It IS still a movie.
He flied because, despite his god status in the Matrix, it's a lot more exciting for people paying money to see it than it is to see him teleporting, I imagine.
Either way, three times the speed of sound, potential or not, is no slouch. This strikes me as odd, though, considering NJO Luke is just what Luke potentially might have become, if we're being technical.
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The force as I understand it is an energy field created by all living things, that surrounds and penetrates living beings. Since Neo is primary human...he could be affected. Saying that the force have no jurisdiction in the matrix does mean that it can't affect living beings. I would say it can't affect the program. But the humans most likely yes.
This argument I use for Luke Skywalker as the Grand Master of the new Jedi Order (i.e. EU)
It wouldn't matter, because if the force exists as a creation within the Matrix, Neo would have control over it.
People are saying "Luke wouldn't be in there at first, he'd go in there from the real world, as New Jedi Order Luke, and win, simply because he can and the Matrix wouldn't recognise the force.". Well, "people" aren't saying that, that's RJ's summaton of the rules. Going by that, it still wouldn't work.
Impossible, for if that's the case, then he'd be a real world human and not eligible to enter the Matrix anyway. People born in the real can't go into the Matrix.
So it'd be real world Neo vs New Jedi Order Luke, which is as bad as canon Neo Vs canon Luke. That's why it doesn't work to say "Real world Neo, with Matrix powers.".
That would mean he's be in the real world, with all the powers of the Matrix, which would essentially make him like Superman. So it'd be like N.J.O. Luke Vs Superman.
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Idiot statement...you have to be trained in the Jedi ways to even know how to yield the power of the force. It can't be program..that was the case the Empire would have done it and no need for Sith.
Call BS on you right there. Continue with your next statement.
As if I wasn't going to continue posting until you said so.
Haha, bye then. Just don't get pissy when you reply and I keep replying to you. I know how you get sentimental about that.
Gimmick? Then what does that make you? I could set watches to your childish tantrums. Then again, they're not regular, I just know how to push you into them. Wish I didn't.
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Almost as bad as being clueless as to the extent of Lukes powers.
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I know the extent of his powers in canon, and through this thread and research on my own, non-canon.
Doesn't change the fact that it still wouldn't work for you.
You don't know enough about the Matrix, and that is the factor that make Neo ridiculous to use in these fights. So you're ignoring it. It's cool, I understand, though. You ignore what you don't get.
Lets say Luke steps into the Matrix. Right away Neo reads his code, understands the Force, and can wield it. (I cant believe I am even saying this)
Anyway, Neo can now wield the force. You think he is going to be able to use it effectively? As effectively as Luke? Nope.
It's like if I was an accomplished F1 driver and I take you under my wing and TELL you everything there is to know about car racing. You have never been behind the wheel of an F1 car, nor have you ever been in a heated race, so despite having the required knowledge to be a good driver, you lack the neccesary EXPERIENCE to succeed.
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Have you read anything I've said, or do you just reply when I post?
He wouldn't be wielding the force, he'd be controlling the Matrix, of which the force would be part. There is a difference, but as with most things, unless it's as obvious and easy to notice as a sledgehammer to the face, poor old RJ has trouble rattling a complicated concept around his creaky skull.
You obviously feel you have what it takes to hold a discussion that involves a conceptual world like the Matrix, you don't, hence why everything comes down to me having to explain it to you...and then explain it again...and again.
So, the only realistic (But still ridiculous) way this fight could happen is if it was REAL WORLD Neo Vs N.J.O. Luke, in which case, it would again be pointless. Secondly, one of the options someone raised was:
"Since Neo is God in the Matrix, essentially, just take him out and let them fight in the real, with Neo's powers.". This is problematic because his powers and the Matrix are not wholly able to be differentiated. However, for argument's sake, let's say we made it simple and just said Neo could have his powers in the real world, so there'd be no Matrix to make it complicated, right? It would essentially be like Luke Skywalker Vs Superman.
The shit thing is, I laugh as I say this, because I know that no matter how much I explain, I'll be ignored and have to do it again in the next reply, cos you're really...really slow. The element making this fight so difficult to agree on is the fact that it's in the Matrix, and you don't understand the Matrix. It would be better for all parties involved (Meaning us), if it wasn't in the Matrix.
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