That's not a very good example. (Gah, horrible point making/arguing skills)
Remember the scene where Morphius took Neo to that dojo, and instantly was taught how to fight? Also there was a scene where he was getting prepped and ready to get "jacked" into the Matrix and many fighting styles were automatically given to him stright to his brain so he automatically "knew" how to fight and do various other stunts? Same as when trinity was given the experience she needed to ride that bike off the truck to protect the keymaker. There's a reason there's operators in the Matrix, however in Neo's case, he wouldn't need one. A simple twitch and a fully downloadable variation of "the force" is given to him. He probably calls it, "Force for dummies Vol.1-999". So Neo, although not directly using "the force" could master it within seconds.
Yes, but are you really comparing Neo in the dojo to Neo in revolutions? Sure, Neo knew Kung Fu, but he couldnt touch morpheus.
Its like you telling me HOW to play a guitar. You can tell me all you know, but until I actually play it, I wont have a clue as to what I am doing. You'll be laughing your ass off at me.
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And then someone comes in with another ridiculous post and makes things even more complicated.
Scythe, he wouldn't need to "learn" the force, he wouldn't need to wield it. He controls the Matrix and everything immaterial that's part of it. So he'c vicariously control the concept of the force.
Abandon this idea of Neo "wielding" the force, he wouldn't need to.
So, IF Neo can remove the force from the Matrix (big if, BTW), how long does it take him to do so? Like say a force wielder appears out of nowhere, Neo recognizes the force, decides to "remove" it from the matrix so it cannot be used against him?
Also, just because the force isn't in a certain environment, Doesnt mean a force wielder still cannot use the force, they still have it within them.
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WHO is talking about removing the force? He could just control it, not let it effect him, counter it before it's used, as I have shown you with the example of how the code is used by normal humans to show what's going to happen.
And as for that last part, I really don't know how many more times it needs explaining to you. Shake the cobwebs out and listen carefully, gramps. He cannot control the programs in the Matrix. So if Neo were to neutralise his ability to use the force, he simply couldn't override it.
Hence why the best place for this fight is the real world.
Different cases but same outcome. Neo was given the experience, and it was instant, where Luke learned his in a long process. Should there be records of "the force" or anything like it, they could be plugged direcly into his brain for him to use. However, that applies to everyone else in the Matrix that isn't Neo, since he can systematically curve outcomes to his best interest.
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Correct! You said it! Luke learned his skills in a long process. In a way it involves a level of spiritual connection. So Neo would have to have enough Midi-chlorians in him to be capable of achieve a Jedi status.
You mentioned earlier that if Neo so chose to, he could in fact remove the force from the Matrix, I was just following up on that one.
Gramps So its back to hostility and personal attacks, I see. Now very typical.
Luke is a foreign item to the Matrix, he is beyond Neo's control. The thread starter SPECIFIED that ALL of Lukes powers work against Neo, so despite the fact they Luke is in Neos domain, he still has the ability to use the force on Neo.
Not to mention that Luke still has his lightsaber to fall back on, and you still haven't answered my question earlier on what if Luke were to behead Neo....would Neo die? Its a simple question, yes or no answer will suffice.
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Yes, that's how most good jedis have to learn it. However, in any other case, it's just not happening. Midi-chlorians have no effect in a synthetic creation like the Matrix. Their purpose would just be halted.
Given the case that Luke takes on Neo inside the Matrix, Luke, as powerful as he is, cannot stand up to a god.
In the real world, Luke would have a huge advantage, and quite possibly might win.
You did read where D Guy stated that ALL of Lukes powers work on Neo, right?
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But that's ridiculous and impractical. Seeing as we're going with the ridiculous idea of keeping it in the Matrix, I'm trying to find balance.
If you took that seriously I'd suggest letting those curly locks down and relaxing. You've called me little man, I've called you gramps.
He is, his powers are not. Why would it matter to Neo if he can control the MAN or not? He can control what he'd need to fight. Luke might as well be an infant.
Precisely, and that's why this fight is stupid. Everyone is ignoring everything, and the ironic goal is to make it a fantasy fight. Ignoring shit that matters is why nobody can agree on anything.
Neo wouldn't "die", technically, no (There's the no you wanted). His code would be disseminated.
That said, it wouldn't happen, because Luke wouldn't get that close.
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Yeah I read it, I don't think that guy understood the prowess that Neo has, nor the Matrix. Otherwise he would've started the thred like this.
"Okay, Neo Vs. Luke Skywalker, in the Matrix, Luke has all his powers but they have no effect within the Matrix, thus saying, Neo is a god and Luke is defenseless. Discuss"
Whats it matter where I got the FACTS from? You are coming off like Lukes powers have no effect on Neo.
I bet you didnt even READ it.
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I have more reliable sources than an editable website. I have looked his powers up on Star Wars sites, I'm not saying Wiki is wrong, I'm saying it's a useless source in debate. It's not credible.
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So its back to hostility and personal attacks, I see. Now very typical.
