If Neo was out of Stasis, yes, he could use his thoughts to move. But, even if he thinks "I'm going to move over there" while in stasis, his thoughts won't allow him to move since his physical form is still incapable of movement.
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They would have to fight in an arena that Neo is not the god off...but still retain most of his powers.
Seriously, NJO Luke wouldn't do jack diddly squat inside the matrix IF that's where they fought. In the Matrix, Luke's powers should not work. The trainman had his own universe programmed and Neo wasn't worth shit in that one so it should be possible to have this battle out in a programmed universe where Luke keeps all his powers and Neo keeps all his powers.
Neo is waaaaaaaay the f**k more durable...
If Luke and Neo can use their powers to their fullest, I see this going in Luke's favor. In fact it seems "all too easy".
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I agree absolutely, in a fight were the premises power Neo down to be weaker than Luke, Neo would be weaker than Luke. Once again a great insight, thank you, dadudemon.
Someone said that only Palpatine was (possibly) stronger than Luke, yet that crusty old pederast was picked up and tossed out like garbage by a heavily wounded Vader; with little difficulty. So I not sure you're understanding how powerful Neo is, remember, his powers would allow him to bend reality to his will, i.e. Godlike powers.
But like Bardock said, if you want (need to) to power-down Neo in order to make Luke stronger than him, so be it. Luke wins in that scenario.
Oh, did I mention Neo could be at him within milliseconds?
IF for some reason the force didnt work on Neo, which would be powering Luke down.
You gotta assume that ALL of Lukes powers would work on Neo, and vice versa.
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So, why wouldn't lets say, thinking Luke far, far away into the sun work. And we saw Neo can just jump inot an agent and make him explode all over the matrix. Why not that?
Yes, that is the premise. Luke has awesome powers, no doubt. Neo is Godlike though.
Let's play a game, I'll control Neo, you control Luke. I'll even give you the advantage and tell you my first move. 1/50th (underestimated) of a second after the fight begins, Neo will be punching Luke through the skull, flying at 3,390 feet per second. What does Luke do?
Easy....Luke would use precog to sense Neo's attack, sidestep, ignite his saber and decapitate him.
Next question.
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I always thought that Neo was able to do that BECAUSE Smith was an agent, NOT a human being.
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Nah, doesn't make sense. Since the Agents are human beings that got reprogrammed anyways. Why could Neo with his vastly superior speed not dodge this attack? Precog is great, but it does only so much against a superior opponent.
In my specially programmed universe, Luke's force abilities should be more than enough for Neo, IF we are talking about NJO. No doubt that Luke should have problems holding Neo still. Neo didn't really show reality warping in the Matrix Movies but he did show abilities to read into the programming of the Matrix which gave him almost precog ability and slight control over things to happened in the matrix. The best his "reality warping" got was the virtual destruction of Agent Smith. Since the two characters(Luke and Neo) come from different universes, giving that ability(virtual character destruction) to Neo to use against Luke may or may not work. This is an unknown. (In the fighting arena designed for them to fight.)
In Neo's world where he is god, Luke would still have his Jedi reflexes and pre cog and learned abilities...but force abilities(I am referring to kensis mostly) would probably not work. Though he did, at one point, use the force to destroy droids...I am not sure if that ability could carry over into controlling some aspects of the Matrix.
However, put Neo in Luke's Universe, and he gets utterly raped without even trying.
So...going by this logic, Luke could put up a fight in Neo's universe but Neo wouldn't stand a chance Luke's universe.
IF Luke's kinetic force powers could have any hold on Neo inside the neutral universe I have proposed, then it would be a very one sided fight. IF, for the sake of a drawn out fight, Luke's powers have control over Neo but Neo is able to overcome them to a certain extent, then it should be an even match. Jedi Mind Tricks would do nothing at all on Neo because his mind is probably extremely advanced. (He concluded faster, according to the Architect, than the "others" before him...and then there's the whole transcending the control of the matrix part.)
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