Based off fts, she isn't comparable to Blue Superman. Wait a minute, didn't this same Supes show up during Imperiex?
You haven't provided a shed of proof yet. Stop using a different Superman to help you win a debate. Why can't you use Blue and Red Supes? Is it really that difficult? I think I know why.
Yeah, based on her feats Strange Visitor was actually more powerful than Electric Superman as she was an avatar of Kismet. And that Superman was Superman merged with Strange Visitor's power.
Why would I discard such an awesome feat when I know the version of Superman who did it was slower than main version of Superman? Don't be obtuse.
And I have provided enough proof already. But I know it hurts you physically so you would never accept it. That's fine, nobody cares about what you think especially concerning Superman.
You're wrong though and if this is the same Supes that appeared during the Imperiex saga then that sheds even more light on what I am saying since he was able to not only pierce Imperiex with a blitz but also survive his detonation. Remember, casual shock wave blast from Imperiex almost killed Superman if it wasn't for Darkseid. You're reaching ABHI.
What proof did you provide on standard Supes being faster? Providing partial scans of Blue Superman having problems steering?
a planet buster is someone who can bust a planet with one shot.
None of those guys are planet busters.
And why would punching someone using a faster arm speed result in a lower force? Superman doesn't have to hit him a dozen times in succession. Just once at a time.
Hit Thor once to rock the shit out of him, making him drop the hammer. Then hit him again before he makes an action.
Fighting heralds that possess speed doesn't prove anything if those heralds failed to use their speed. Otherwise any character that faced a herald (colossus, thing, etc) would be able to deal with Superman's speed since the heralds they faced didn't beat them by out speeding them.
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More of NOTHING I see.
KMC, I now present to you
DARTH POWER vs DARTH POWER
THE 95% CLAIM
"Right so now the likes of Teleportation and Transmutation are 95% of Thor's power, even as your about to claim that Thor ALWAYS BRAWLS"-Darth Power
VS
You claimed Thor without Mjolnir loses 95% of his offensive and defensive powers. Do I need to post your quote?-Darth Power
First, he attributes a statement to me about transmutation and teleportation being 95% of Thor's power. He then uses my ACTUAL statement as a means of proving I'M MISTAKEN.
To make it sweeter he THREATENS to use my quote against me.
Priceless.
Lets see more of the schizophrenic stylings of, DARTH POWER!
CIS Thor vs CIS Superman
Really? So he brawled here against Thanos before Unleashing his full power right?:-Darth Power
He also went in full power first throwing Mjolnir at The Destroyer in one fight.
Also the point you also don't seem to get through that thick skull of your bringing up fighting "in character" is that Superman "in character" isn't going to go for a full on Speed Blitz right from the onset of the fight.
Darth power brings up an overwhelming TWO instances of Thor to establish the standard for the character and refute my claim he is a brawler.
Conversely, the numerous instances of Superman blitzing is dismissed as an abberation and exaggeration.
Lets try this.
Since I've NEVER read a Thor comic in my life, you can lead the way.
Show me where standard Thor operates the way you present him under these writers on average.
Defalco
Fraction
Jurgens
Simonson
Waid
Better yet, YOU pick the writer and show me these instances of Non Brawler Thor that are so numerous" You can hardly count".
Yeah I see it happening the way it happened in the Thor vs Shazam fight in that DC vs Marvel from the 90's.
Not that it will end like that fight, but the way it began was spot on for a faithful Thor vs Supes comic book battle IMO- Cap. M bullrushed Thor and got in the first few punches before Thor was able to hit him back.
Defalco wrote the only real incident where regular Thor wanted to kill someone, and he used absorption to do it...
Jurgens wrote King Thor...
Waid barely wrote anything...
Fraction wrote a Thor who stalemated Surfer, killed Serpent and beat amped wwh/thing, when he was dying from the tabula rasa wound, so he's beyond DP's average.
It was normal superman amped by Strange Visitor's power. It wasn't electric superman. God, your ignorance is so bad. Have you ever read a superman comic? And both Superman and Strange Visitor died in that explosion. And no, it wasn't just shockwaves.
And Electric superman getting buttraped by Brainiac 13 while normal Superman blitzing B13 apart.
Why not just leave this nonsense in the team/off-topic threads, where it belongs, and have a nice discussion here?
On to the discussion;
The average of most fighters under those writers is not the average of Thor fighting at the best of his ability. Oftentimes he's fighting people far below him or far above him. I don't see what good it is trying to find an average between fighting galactus and the puma, what average would that be?
Defalco wrote a lot of masterson Thor, and not ordinary Thor, but he was the one who had Thor use absorption to kill someone. Which also subsequently explains why Thor can't risk killing anyone. There's not just the enchantment, but also Odin.
Fraction's Thor was powerful.
Jurgens also wrote a fairly powerful Thor, but most of his stuff got caught up in the reigning and King Thor where he had the Odinforce.
Waid wrote like 2 issues, I don't see what he has to say on the issue.
Simonson's Thor is the average Thor I suppose. He had a lot of high feats and low ones. Storytelling trumped consistency in power.
And Carver here is a direct comparison with Lightray.
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Lightray says he's faster than Energy Superman and Highfather supports him. Blue didn't contradict him.
Just after one year doomsday wars happened and Superman made this comment. Both are under the same writer as was the feat where Superman Blue went FTL. Dan Jurgens.
I don't know why I do this to myself, but I'll humor your ill conceived way at looking at things anyway. I guess you can say I'm a glutton for punishment.
What part of Thor being at a disadvantage did you not understand? Forgive me because I'm going to repeat myself like a trained parrot for a majority of this post. Of course all in hopes so that I can hammer into your brain what I believe most people would take from what transpired.
Already early on we see Mandy in caught in the middle of their confrontation. She was literally caught in-between to the point that Gladiator put her in danger(more than once) and prompting Thor to keep her safe.
Your point of even showing Mandy in "ONE PANEL" then getting away before Thor is taken out by Gladiator is irrelevant because it is clear from the onset of the fight, Thor always had Mandy's safety in mind. Furthermore we know from the story that Gladiator was out to kill.
She was on the ground as the building was falling apart right before Gladiator threw a portion of it to Thor. He was speeding towards Thor which would indicate that she was relatively close unless you think she can run at supersonic speeds. Come on it's common sense.
Sorry buddy, but why would I need to dodge when you're the only one who hasn't addressed the main points that you are trying(and failing) to discredit or lowball. Again I'm going to act like the parrot here and keep hammering away with the same arguments. No one here is denying that Thor was taken out early on. But again we have a willing to kill Gladiator and a holding back Thor protecting the safety of an innocent. It's like you're only left with these smokescreens, because you have nothing substantial to add.
Again it's right there in front of you. An eighty year old man with cataracts would see it.
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Really? Like I said before. On-panel or off-panel it really doesn't matter. It was brief and Gladiator showed no indication of being weakened or having sustained significant damage. To me it just feels like more smokescreens.
Good for you. I know nothing of fighting.
Read above regarding willing to kill Gladiator and a disadvantaged Thor.
Read above and remove your blinders this time. The only thing remotely dumb here is refusing to acknowledge what is shown on-panel and Thor's well documented history of holding back before he unleashes himself.
Yes. A willing to kill Gladiator took out a disadvantaged and holding back Thor early on.
And this is hardly a sucker shot as you are trying portray. Hell Thor outright announced his intentions unlike what Gladiator did before the plane scene as you will soon realize.
I like also how you this time did not argue the fact that Gladiator was not ko'd by Thor's assault and was ko'd instead by Tarene blast. Because frankly that was laughable. http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Gladiator10.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Gladiator11.jpg
You keep harping about Thor cheap-shotting Gladiator, when Gladiator was the only one who administered what can only be considered a cheap-shot in every sense of the word. I mean he went for a kill shot on what was an unconscious Jake Olsen for crying out loud. Funny thing is we start to see the rumblings of a now serious Thor who ended up having Gladiator dead to rights until the plane came into the picture.
House of El desperate?? Where did that come from? Hey you brought it up. My points were directed at you. Your automatic need to bring in your stable mates makes you look that much more desperate.
Would make sense if you brought up substantial points and not smokescreens just so you can skirt around the real issue.
Again going back to your original statement on Darth's scan...
He was spot on. No context lost here since the comic basically says so.
A willing to kill Gladiator was flat out wtpwned when Thor finally stopped holding back. A point you've tried to discredit with flimsy arguments.
You compounded your mistake with more claims like sucker-shotting Gladiator when clearly that was never the case.
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^ Gladiator didn't land any punches after Thor unloaded on him with mjolnir. What's so great about it? And Thor can't hold back his durability.
In other sense, a Gladiator who was weaker than Thor koed him in three punches. Superman is stronger than both Gladiator and Thor, and much more durable. Do the math.
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