- Hal needs will power to do any damage to Surfer.
Surfer got hit with like 20 nukes (without a scratch), been pounded by angry Hulk , Morg , Champion and that didn’t hurt him as well , God like cable send him flying breaking his board and SS got right back up.
-If you read the newer Surfer comics v3, v4 you will see that Surfer’s durability is near (Indestructible), While Hal might have a shield (but to stop Surfer’s blow he will need all his will power just to defend himself)
He has made a force filed to protect a town from missiles without a sweat. ( Hal need will power to protect from anything like size of nukes etc)
Now you say Surfer can’t absorb Oa’s energy? He can, Surfer can absorb any energy/radiation. Jrod said that gl’s ring are universal force that’s why people can’t steal there energy. Well did you see that scan (kyle) got his ass drained(SS can do the same).
Surfer can drain as well. Because there is nothing stopping him from doing so (not that he will)
Now when did hal (Gl ) absorbed (stole) somebody energy(never)?
First Surfer gave him the power cosmic, second it was parallax (much, stronger than Gl hal, and it was giving to him)
While Kyle couldn’t handle it (so he shot the energy at SS( SS has drained from source as well (hulk , Sun) , and I have shown you that gl’s can get drained.
Now for Hal to do anything big he will need (extreme will power)
As Jrod has shown in the images Hal needs all his will power to do what Surfer does easily.
-When blowing the (planet) (had to use all his will power) – took time
- When he froze people (had to use all his will power) – also took lots of time and effort
-While towing (the city) – had to use all his will power.
He even said if it was bigger/etc larger explosion he couldn’t handle it.
So far
I have shown you that SS:
-Can absorb energy/ radiation out of people (from the source / not just when Shot at him (kyle))
- Silver Surfer can go beyond light speed and speed blitz.
- For Hal to hurt SS, he will need extreme will power / and time (which he won’t have)
- Hal will need all his will power just to defend himself from blasts that can destroy cites.
I also showed you that Gl:
- They can be drained of there energy (will power had nothing to do with it, it’s all about energy). (Look at the scans), someone sucked Kyle dry (a Gl , a universal power)
- Hal(Gl) can’t steal the power cosmic (since it’s not energy), power cosmic is power that powers beings like (Thanos , SS , Morg , Tyrant , Galactus , it does emit energy)
- Hal hasn’t even absorbed (stole) anyone’s power (energy)or suck people dry (SS has done this before).
- It was Surfer that gave Parallax his power cosmic (Parallax) Gl to the Max , Parallax is much stronger than Hal (Gl) , so using him is different ( this is not Parallax vs SS )
- Any thing Hal does that’s at Surfer’s level (He need all his will power/ to maintain it)
“When hal stops time?” Did you even read that scan he froze people you know how much will power he needed (all of it and there was a range limit, SS can go light years in seconds) now surfer is faster than light . He will be out of ranges in nanosecond, and while Hal is doing that he is defenseless, SS attacks him from Behind K.O’s his ass.
- You fail to see that for Hal to do anything he needs will power (for greater thing (all his will power/ Time – and he always is like if it was bigger wouldn’t have made it etc).
How can SS WIN?
- SS will simple keep attacking him with cosmic blast (killing Hal) , he need all his powers to defend against an explosion that can destroy cities)
- SS can speed blitz beyond light speed.
- Suck Gl’s energy ( someone did it , SS has absorbed energy out of people (Hal Gl hasn’t drained energy from anyone)
For Hal do anything big he needs all his will power. SS can do it without needing anything.
You're acting as if stopping time in a small area will take a lot of will power. You have no proof to back this claim up.
Who says that Hal lost all his wisdom from becoming Parallax? Hal knows what it feels to have cosmic energy so he certainly will absorb it while Surfer is frozen in time.
Explain to me while Surfer wasn't absorbing that pool of energy? He couldn't do it unless it was given to him.
Yes I know Surfer can go beyond light speed, but you failed to show scans of Surfer speed blitzing someone in the beginning of a fight. Speed blitzing is out of character for Surfer. How many times do I have to tell you this? Surfer is a pacifist. He will talk to Hal about not fighting. Hal stops time, absorbs the power cosmic, Surfer cries back to Galactus. You forgot that Hal's Power Ring has a defensive system. Even if Surfer does a city destroying blast, it won't mean anything because Hal has survived a hit from Alan Scott that sent him through a planet and overcame Anti-Monitor's and yellow beams. Besides, Hal can heal himself to 100% with the ring.
It doesn't prove that Surfer can absorb by force. You claim that Surfer can absorb any type of energy yet you only showed him absorbing solar and radiation. Power is energy. Read the dictionary. Who says Hal lost the wisdom he had when Parallax? Hal got a taste of the Power Cosmic and will certainly want to absorb it. Right. Hal has destroyed Mongul's robotic defenses with ease, stopped a wobbling moon, converted energy blasts to confetti without breaking a sweat, took down the whole GL Corps. including both Kilowog and Sinestro, recreated Coast City back, defeated the JLA, and put down Mongul with one hit. I can go on and on.
How would Surfer know that Hal will be stopping time? He can read minds now? And I doubt Surfer's character would actually attack someone from behind really fast.
You fail to realize just how powerful Hal is.
Please. Hal can heal himself to 100% and survived an attack from Alan Scott that sent him through the planet. Show me scans of Surfer speed blitzing someone in a beginning of a fight. It's not that hard, after all you have all of Surfer's comics. How is Surfer gonna do this when frozen in time? Surfer still hasn't shown that he can absorb Oa energy unless given to him.
How can Surfer do anything when he will be frozen in time and robbed of his cosmic energy?
Looks like Surfer isn't as hyped up as you say he is.
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All Green Lanters powers are based off will power. Who cares if it takes a large amout of will, Hal still gets things done.
You say Hal cant hurt Surfer wityh simple attacks, but Hal doesnt give simple attacks. He would realize Surfers powers through cosmic awareness, and know that Surfewr is a very power foe.
All those pictures you showed was NOT Hal. They were all Kyle. Kyle is not experienced like Hal. Wonderman broke construckts, not the actual forcefield. Like it said the more will, the stronger the constructs. You keep posting scans of Kyle while hes not on Hals level.
For Hal to beat Surfer, he wouldnt need extrreme will power. Hal needed extreme will power when he killed most of the GL corps, Guardians of the Univers, JLA, and JSA members. That takes extreme wil power. To beat SS would take alot of will power with some smarts. And all GL fans know that Hal has the smarts.
Kyle is getting drained, but he didnt even know how to counter it so that it wouldnt. Thats shows his will power right there. What did he do after? He absorbed the Cosmic Cube. That was bullshit on both parts.
Dont post scans of Kyle anymore. The thread is Hal vs. Surfer.
Hal>John>Kyle/Guy>Kilowog
kgkg you mentioned and showed Hal get sucker punched by Mongul. Yet that didnt knock Hal out. I mentioned before that only in life threatening attacks, Hals automatic shield goes up.
Hulk has been knocked out by Namor. But yet Hal didnt get knocked out by Mongul. Hal is human, and Mongul is stronger than Namor. You do the math.
You wanna know what happened when Hal got up? You should have posted these scans as well.
kgkg i finally found scans that actually say that Hal was moving at faster than light speed. No warphole, no dimensional rifts. Faster than light speed.
Thanks I didn't know he could do that. (Props you have shown me something I didn't know)
But guess what. You see the part "Every once of my Will power"
Then he couldn't slow down then crashes it shows he can't react at light speed or have good control while at light speed or beyond)
SS goes at beyond light speed all the time (while in space with no effort or energy wasted) he can go beyond light speed no problem)
- Hal needs all his will power to do something like that and is restricted to human reaction.
-Hal can absorb the power Cosmic? LMAO people show me Hal absorbing someone? Ohh boy this is funny
-Power Cosmic is energy? LOL (than I guess any Gl can beat Galactus , Thanos , Tyrant etc also LMAO)
- Hal will freeze SS(did you read the scans) (he needed all his will power) LMAO do you know how fast SS is he will never work him by the time is his trying( he will be defenseless to an attack)
- Ok lets see what we have
-SS can go beyond light speed a can react that fast.
- Hal can go beyond light speed (only if he uses all his will power, but is still restricted to human reaction time, or close to it(since he crashed)
-SS can speedblitz (Flash) this is a forum (SS won’t be like a Sissy talking to hal ) He will use everything his got.
Flash you are thinking this fight will be like all other Surfer fights
Where he is talking, then get's hit few times, then beat his enemy.
This is Bloodlust mood.
and no Hal can't Freeze SS , because he need will power (time).
SS also has cosmic awareness if Hal tries that it will only result in Hal getting knocked out.
Flash read the scans that jrodslam posted most were (I must use all my will power), (damn even all my will power was almost not enough) shit like that.
And ya SS will be sitting there saying: “hey I will wait for you take all you time and and will power hal) lol
This is bloodlust SS wants a kill (not like his sissy way).
Regardless if it says "Every once of my willpower" or not, hes moving at faster than light speeds. Hal is able to understand lightspeed and how it works.
If you also notice in the pic, it was the first time Hal went ++light speed. Quote "There doesnt seem to be any limit to how fast I can go." Meaning that was his first time. Over the years, he got used to it. Its expected to crash on your fist try. Did you not fall the firtst time you rode a 2-wheeler? Give the guy a break.
I never argued about SS traveling at ++light speeds. I was talking about the fighting at ++lightspeeds. And SS doesnt ALWAYS react at light speeds. Therefore dont even bother to say that, cause theres been plenty of times where SS got punched, snuck up on and stabbed.
Ive posted many pics showing that Hal reacts at super speeds. What is it that youre not seeing? He is by no way restricted to human reaction.
And YES, the power Cosmic IS energy. Not any GL can defeat Thanos, Galactus, Tyrant etc. Just like SS cant beat a Guardian, Parallax, the whole GL corps(at the same time).
SS doesnt react at light speeds. If thats the case, he would have seen the Hulk punch before Banner even moved. If SS could react at light speeds, he wouldnt have allowed Namorita to puch him in the face.
SS using everything he's got wont kill Hal. Wont even knock him out. If a blow will cause any REAL damage to Hals body, an automatic shield will go up. Dont ever bring up SS speed blitzing again.
i don't think speedblitzing is ever a fair argument (unless the character is an evil bastard like majestic), but i got to wonder if the automatic shield can "go up" faster than multiples of lightspeed...
and i still firmly believe that a full-powered power cosmic blast from surfer would break hal's shield and still have enough juice left over to break hal himself.
You've shown Pre-Crisis Green Lantern flying at greater than light speed. Flying at greater than light speeds is much different than reacting at greater than light speeds. Ask Dr. Strange.
Silver Surfer can react and move in less than a nanosecond. Light only travels 30 centimeters in a nanosecond.
Yes, Surfer can read minds.
If Surfer can time travel, I doubt stopping time would affect him. Besides, you guys haven't proven that Hal can even affect anything when he stops time.
If all else fails, trap Hal in the board. Surfer wins.
The ring itself puts up the auto shield. It does that at faster than lightspeeds.
A full powered SS cosmic Blast? How often does he do that? Second, How powerfull is a full-powered SS cosmic blast.
Would SS be able to take a full-powered GL blast?
GL's shield has taken a 300 megaton nuclear explosion that was capable of killing Superman himself. I doubt that a pull-powered SS blast would kill Superman.
Hal can't absorb the power cosmic...that's like silver surfer absorbing Hal's ring and not the Oan energy. Do you see the difference? The power cosmic was granted to Silver Surfer by galactus, it allows him to power himself through absorption of all sorts of energy and he can redirect that anyway he sees fit.
I actually think half vs surfer is a great fight, but after reading what if stan lee wrote Green lantern it became apparent that these two characters are liek Thor and Superman...they're pretty similar and you couldn't really pick a winner because of the incompatibilities between universes. Silver surfer is still more versatile though and my gut instinct would give him 2:1 odds
A Nuclear explosion, no matter how large, is nothing compared to the power cosmic. A power cosmic blast that wasn't even fully charged destroyed a planet. Blasts of greater intensity have destroyed stars. If Superman can be killed by a nuclear explosion, he'd better not mess with the Surfer.
Never seen a full powered GL blast. What does it do?
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