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h1a8
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone

hell its supposed to take 6 months on avreage for a person to first notice it. You did it for several months thats dont mean nothing.


It takes about 4 months. And I did notice it. I practiced it for about 4-6months. I got out of it when I became a christian. Someone persuaded me it wasn't of God to be into that stuff so I left it alone.

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Okay if you're right then please tell me who can do this. For I will gladly pay to learn to do this.


Dont pay anybody all you have to is keep doing the stuff and dont stop doing it.

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I guess my teacher was sh!tty.
I am referring more to the effectiveness of the chi achieved.


No I think you misunderstood what was going on. Yes the more time you take the more chi you get and you can increase the power of chi through breath but what im saying is when you get good you can still use a certain amount of chi instantly. The teacher probably could channel chi instantly but in order to break blocks he needed more time.

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How do you know you built up this chi when you say you did it instantly?


It was more powerful and this might sound funny but when you channel chi your body gets warmer.

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Was there a significant difference in the power of your punch vs. not building chi at all. And how can anyone or anything do anything instantaneous? It takes time to do anything.


Yes there was but not massive.

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From my understanding It takes at least one deep breath to build even the slightest chi.


Like I said that depends on how good you are.


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Note: I shouldn't be telling you this but I'll give you a hint on something. The study of true chi is really a secret. Many instructors are not teaching the real chi power. For with real chi power one can do super natural things. I don't want to go into too many details but moving objects without touching them is a sign that someone is teaching you the real thing.


I dont really want to get into this because I have not seen abolsute proof but I suspect it maybe possible. As far as I know you really have be determind you have to do lots of meditation and keep doing it, but unfortuantely in the West people dont have time.

Just a note though eventhough I think chi is good dont do what I did. I had to stop doing Qi gong because I trained to hard, so I have to stick to meditation im still not sure if I will fully recover from my injuries.

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It takes about 4 months. And I did notice it. I practiced it for about 4-6months. I got out of it when I became a christian. Someone persuaded me it wasn't of God to be into that stuff so I left it alone.


If god exists god created chi, why would it be bad? You're a born again Christian that explains alot. Besides Moses and Solomon used magic.....anyway this is getting OT.

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Chi and magic are like manipulating atomic greanades, sure, God allows both, but that doesn't mean anyone can use atomic greanades as he likes.


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Chi and magic are like manipulating atomic greanades, sure, God allows both, but that doesn't mean anyone can use atomic greanades as he likes.


laughing How did we get onto this?

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Of course we're agreed. I never tried to claim that Cap was as fast as Spidey, just close enough.

Well as has been pointed out, Cap's strength is no where near Spidey's so a direct comparison of strength feats is ridiculous. However if you're trying to determine how well Cap will be able to weather Spidey's punches we can look here...

Taking multiple shot from Powerman before going down…
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/...02180019xg1.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/...02180020jc1.jpg

Withstanding a bullrush from Namor
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4633/p13ue3.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/613/p12cs1.jpg

And a punch from Namor...
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/...65actsofmi8.jpg

And aside from his ability to take a punch, we mustn’t forget Cap’s uncanny ability to roll with punches…
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/...v1250p16bq6.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/...v1250p17oy6.jpg

See you have to remember that Cap has more going for him than just peak human durability, he’s also got grade A armor…
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/20...mbled06taq7.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/88...mbled06ttm6.jpg

All in all, I think it’s safe to say that even though Spidey CAN KO Cap, he’s going to have to get in more than a few shots to do it.




And if we're trying to figure out whether or not Cap is going to be able to hurt Spidey with his punches and pressure point attacks, these scans certainly seem to indicate that he can…

Cap(in the aged body of Red Skull, so no SSS) uses pressure a point attack to immobilize the limbs of Goliath…
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/...16farworth6.jpg

KO’s Viper with a nerve cluster pinch…
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/33...43slippeoq1.jpg

Catches the fist of John Walker(sometimes known as US Agent) and makes him cry out in pain via pressure point…
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/...05page07ua8.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/...05page08tq2.jpg

Breaks the ribs of Mr. Hyde…
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/...52terrorzd0.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/87...52terrordz2.jpg



As unbelievable as it sounds at first, Cap actually has a better chance of one shotting Peter than vice versa.


I'm glad we're in agreement. I would hate to have to kick you out the team. stick out tongue

Back on topic. Those scans are all great showing how well Cap can take it. And I agree that Cap wont be easy for Spidey. But none of those scans show a character in the speed level of Spidey.
Fighting at his ( best) he would be ( too fast) for Cap. Let along too strong for him. And lets not forget Spidey has fought just about everyone. The potential for battle scans is in my favor. I dont care how many Cap scans you're holding on to.
Seriously there's one scan where it takes all the Classic Avengers to hold Spidey down, after he had manhandled Cap.


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I'm glad we're in agreement. I would hate to have to kick you out the team. stick out tongue

Back on topic. Those scans are all great showing how well Cap can take it. And I agree that Cap wont be easy for Spidey. But none of those scans show a character in the speed level of Spidey.
Fighting at his ( best) he would be ( too fast) for Cap. Let along too strong for him. And lets not forget Spidey has fought just about everyone. The potential for battle scans is in my favor. I dont care how many Cap scans you're holding on to.
Seriously there's one scan where it takes all the Classic Avengers to hold Spidey down, after he had manhandled Cap.



Spiderman never manhandled Cap to my knowledge. I remember that scene as well.

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Spiderman never manhandled Cap to my knowledge. I remember that scene as well.


Cap even admitted Spidey being sronger/faster than him.
I've posted the scan in the character ownage thread. I just need to retrieve it....


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I'm glad we're in agreement. I would hate to have to kick you out the team. stick out tongue

Back on topic. Those scans are all great showing how well Cap can take it. And I agree that Cap wont be easy for Spidey. But none of those scans show a character in the speed level of Spidey.
Fighting at his ( best) he would be ( too fast) for Cap. Let along too strong for him. And lets not forget Spidey has fought just about everyone. The potential for battle scans is in my favor. I dont care how many Cap scans you're holding on to.
Seriously there's one scan where it takes all the Classic Avengers to hold Spidey down, after he had manhandled Cap.

I wasn't looking for scans against fast opponents because we've already established that yes Spidey's faster, but the difference in speed is a slight one. I thought we had moved on to the subject of strength, which is why I posted scans of Cap taking shots from people stronger than Spiderman and scans of Cap hurting people stronger/more durable than Spiderman using pressure points and skill.

See now we've established...

A. Spiderman's faster, but the difference in speed is negligible so it's still entirely possible Cap to hang with Spidey.

B. Cap's armor and natural durability are sufficient to withstand multiple punches from Spiderman.

C. Cap has advanced fighting techniques that allow him to hurt/injure/immobilize people stronger/more durable than Spiderman with a single shot.



So now what we need is some indication that Cap's pressure point attacks WON'T be one shotting Spidey.


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Not to mention, Namor is definitely in the "speed level" of Spider-Man...

Just to nitpick.

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I wasn't looking for scans against fast opponents because we've already established that yes Spidey's faster, but the difference in speed is a slight one. I thought we had moved on to the subject of strength, which is why I posted scans of Cap taking shots from people stronger than Spiderman and scans of Cap hurting people stronger/more durable than Spiderman using pressure points and skill.

See now we've established...

A. Spiderman's faster, but the difference in speed is negligible so it's still entirely possible Cap to hang with Spidey.

B. Cap's armor and natural durability are sufficient to withstand multiple punches from Spiderman.

C. Cap has advanced fighting techniques that allow him to hurt/injure/immobilize people stronger/more durable than Spiderman with a single shot.


A. Spiderman is much faster than a peak human.
B. Spiderman can punch through his face if he wants or his chain mail.
C. CA won't touch Spidey once, for it is impossible. And when Spidey hits him there comes instant death (or combo to ko if you don't think so).

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And against your guy darth..

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Spidey can take anything Cap has to offer, and more....Also, if the fight takes place in a city environment. Whats to stop Spidey from useing a street pole, or something heavy in the environment to use as a clubing weapon agaisnt Cap .
We disregard Cap handing Spider-Man his ass a couple times... but we think Spidey vs Surfer is good evidence?

Eh what?


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We disregard Cap handing Spider-Man his ass a couple times... but we think Spidey vs Surfer is good evidence?

Eh what?


Circles, it seems that is what has become of this thread.


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Circles, it seems that is what has become of this thread.


Apolloknight, what do you mean exactly.


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We disregard Cap handing Spider-Man his ass a couple times... but we think Spidey vs Surfer is good evidence?

Eh what?


Everyone saying Cap wins uses evidence like him taking hits from Namor or koing Rhino with a kick. roll eyes (sarcastic)

And Spiderman never hurt SS, although it does show good durability and speed.

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Escaping the Hulks grip with a strike. Can you imagine what that strike would have done to Caps back ?

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/...in123456/36.jpg

Momentarily knocking the Hulk back with a punch.
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Spidey can take anything Cap has to offer, and more....Also, if the fight takes place in a city environment. Whats to stop Spidey from useing a street pole, or something heavy in the environment to use as a clubing weapon agaisnt Cap .


Because last I checked, a street pole was not a 'hand.'

There is a reason the title says 'h2h.'


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Cap even admitted Spidey being sronger/faster than him.
I've posted the scan in the character ownage thread. I just need to retrieve it....



I wouldn't surprise me at all if Cap said that. But Spiderman has never manhandled him in a fight.

Cap's better skill counters Spidermans better strength and speed. As it has been shown in the books and against other faster and stronger foes.

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