Movie Superman is deffinatley the fastest and strongest here, Hancock didnt do any thing extraordinary his best strength feat was stopping the train or throwing the whale while supermans is lifting an island made out of his weakness in to space...
I just dont get it, what feats are you using against hancock that makes him weaker then anyone on the battlefield. He didnt struggle to do anything, everything that he set out to accomplished he suceeded. Hell, he bust somebody through a wall with a candy bar. He didnt flinch when a train hit him, he let his wife throw a diesel on him and didnt even acknowledge it, he tilted his finger and was throwing kids almost out of orbit, he through a 80 ton whale like it was a piece of candy. He performent actual speed blitz in his movie and his wife knew how to fully use her powers and was creating tornadoes and hail. If he fully knew how to use his powers its no telling what else he could do.
Tell me what he struggled to do then maybe Ill agree with you.
When did hancock needed to lift a island and what feats of superman makes you think he is faster then hancock who created sonic booms almost every time he flew off and who basically flew out of orbit in less then a second.
I believe that was covered in the former portion of my previous post. Hancock does not have the quality nor quantity of feats to put Superman down. All those feats are solid average feats, but pale in comparison to Superman lifting that island while under the influence of k-nite. If you take the reasoning that several other Superman movies are also canon to Superman Returns, you get an even clearer picture.
I'm not going to be one of those elitists who throw logical fallacies around, but the lack of a shown limit does not equal the showing of a lack of said limit. It simply means that you speculate about what that limit is. As it is, Hancock may very well win (ie his actual limits may actually be high enough to eclipse Superman's), but not knowing these limits makes it impossible to give it to him.
I agree and good post, so how are we to know hancocks limit if he never failed to do anything and if you havent seen a limit to his ability then why is this battle going on. You cant say that someone would beat another person if they havent shown a weakness. Can you show me superman getting hit by a train and not even flinching, no, can I show you hancock lifting a island, no because both scenrio never happened.
Answer this for me though, when superman 1st arrived at the island to confront superman, why was he so weak that he was unable to even swing his fist at lex luthor and basically almost got killed if it wasnt for lois but he had enough strength to pick up that same island that took all of his strength in the beginning. HMMM, makes you think about that feat.
Honestly I dont know who would win, I just gave it to hancock because he showed no weakness and again got hit by a diesel and didnt even register it. I guess I'll wait until hancock 2.
Well, honestly I think movie superman is >>>>> comic book superman since he has precrisis feats and I think that movie superman would whip thanos a** and thats very rare for me to give a lot of version from superman even 1 win from thanos.
I just pick hancock because again hancock has yet to show a limit and he isnt only invulnerable, hes immortal to boot.
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I think i sene hulk bein hurt by bullets in the trailer, supe sis compltely bullt poof and hancock... Supes beats them both, cud easily speed blitz and over power hulk same with hancock, and if its supes after his solar absorbtion at the end of the movie, he coudl take them both a the same time..which wud be cool to se !!
Hancock seriously lacked reaction speed, he needed to resort to throwing that disk to cut the terrorist guys hand off, Supes could have just ripped his hand off at Superspeed. Hancock is awesome and all, he very well could have unlimited powers( minus the apartment fire thing). By all means Hancock was created as a lazy Superman figure. Just Superman has many better feats.
The thing about movie Superman is that his powers literally are unlimited unless Kryptonite is involved
Superman has definately not shown super speed faster than Hancock in the movies. Theres no proof Supes was even capable of a speed blitz like Hancock did to those terrorists.
Speculation is easy, proof is what I'm interested in.
I've always said that Superman's continent lifting feat WHILE having a piece of kryptonite within him is by far the most impressive feat. However, having the most impressive feat doesn't automatically make your opponent weak. We haven't seen the limits of Hancock, but we have seen him do things such as effortless stop a speeding train.
Don't think we've seen him gone all out with his strength though.
Superman was stated in SR, while casually flying around the world to be traveling near light speed. Supes circled the world multiple times in a minute to turn back time in the first movie. And in SR Supes after shots were fired at 2 security guards from a high power gatling gun, Supes sped in front of the bullets from orbit. Supes is faster
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Just cause they are impressive, doesn't make him faster.
Also, where is it stated that Superman can fly at light speed in SR???
Curious that.
If you check the title of this thread, we are discussing about Routh's Superman - i.e Superman Returns. Not other movies.
Superman did not speed in front of bullets FROM ORBIT. Good way to take that out of context. He was already on his way there way before the thug turned the gattling gun on the cops. He did however, speed infront of the bullets from an unknown distance behind the gattling gun after the bullets were fired.
Hancock speedblitzed a group of terrorist and BFR'ed them before the leader could see or even know what just happened.
That obviously shows how fast Hancock is, but its not proof that he is faster than Superman.
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