Is it time for Clinton to call it quits?
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Yes. Clinton should throw in the towel
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56.25%
No. It aint over till its over
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31.25%
Doesnt matter. McCain will win anyway
4
12.50%
Total:
32 votes
100%
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Just to be clear, Hillary herself is saying nothing about "stealing" anything. That's all Bill.
And actually, the Clinton campaign fully supported re-votes in both states, it was the Obama campaign that was reluctant to cooperate, as well as suggesting bullshit options like splitting the delegates 50-50.
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May 28th, 2008 12:53 AM
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correction on the florida primaries:
Hillary Clinton 870,986 - 49.77%
Barack Obama 576,214 - 32.93%
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May 28th, 2008 12:53 AM
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Also, before the Michigan primary, there was rumour that Hillary stole votes in NH -- that Obama actually won it.
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May 28th, 2008 12:54 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Strangelove
Just to be clear, Hillary herself is saying nothing about "stealing" anything. That's all Bill.
And actually, the Clinton campaign fully supported re-votes in both states, it was the Obama campaign that was reluctant to cooperate, as well as suggesting bullshit options like splitting the delegates 50-50.
i never heard that obama refused to cooperate. could you provide a link to substantiate this?
quote: (post ) Originally posted by lord xyz
Also, before the Michigan primary, there was rumour that Hillary stole votes in NH -- that Obama actually won it.
did you read it in a chain email? i read one that said obama is a secret al qaeda operative. please leave rumors out of the topic.
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May 28th, 2008 12:56 AM
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No, on Alex Jones' website.
Hehe.
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May 28th, 2008 01:00 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Schecter
i never heard that obama refused to cooperate. could you provide a link to substantiate this?
did you read it in a chain email? i read one that said obama is a secret al qaeda operative. please leave rumors out of the topic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/u...amp;oref=slogin
quote: As for the latest Michigan proposal, aides to Mrs. Clinton signaled they were likely to go along with the plan, but the Obama campaign was more skeptical, according to people involved in the process.
quote: The person said that Michigan Republicans, who control the State Senate, said they would not stand in the way. But Democrats, who control the state House of Representatives, are divided between Clinton supporters and Obama supporters. “The Clinton people say they’re not going to block it,” the source said. “The question is what the Obama people are going to do.”
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May 28th, 2008 01:01 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by lord xyz
Also, before the Michigan primary, there was rumour that Hillary stole votes in NH -- that Obama actually won it.
That's just plain idiotic.
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quote: Mr. Obama has consistently rejected seating any delegates based on the January votes in Michigan or Florida, which he said were unfair because neither candidate was allowed to campaign there. In Michigan, while Mrs. Clintons name was on the primary ballot, many Obama supporters voted for uncommitted, a line that got 40 percent of the vote to Mrs. Clintons 55 percent.
seems fair to me
quote: As for the latest Michigan proposal, aides to Mrs. Clinton signaled they were likely to go along with the plan, but the Obama campaign was more skeptical, according to people involved in the process.
too vague. maybe he was obstructive, maybe not. its just too vague and in a he-said she-said vein. plus this quote from the article:
quote: We have to do something, said State Senator Tupac A. Hunter, a co-chairman of the Obama Michigan campaign, but I dont know if this is even legal.
adds weight to the question of whether obama was thinking in a prudent manner or deliberate/obstructive one. there's alot more to such a process than "should we or shouldnt we do it". its possible that he wasnt going to be given any time to campaign. far more to the issue than "go or no-go?"
quote: A Clinton spokesman, Mo Elleithee, said of the Michigan proposal: Nearly 600,000 Americans participated in the Michigan primary in January, and we have a solemn obligation to ensure that their voices are heard. The best way to make that happen is to honor their votes, but if that isnt possible there should be a new state primary that doesnt leave taxpayers footing the bill.
notice the order of priority/urgency?
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May 28th, 2008 01:30 AM
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"Tupac A. Hunter" - Funny.
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May 28th, 2008 01:37 AM
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And what does one do if Edward's delegates decide to back Obama? If that were to happen, does it not make Florida a pretty moot issue?
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May 28th, 2008 03:52 AM
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clinton comes out a bit ahead still...but still...
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May 28th, 2008 04:07 AM
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Yeah, something like 51 to 49. So, what then?
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May 28th, 2008 04:08 AM
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dont forget michigan. magical michigan where EVERY delegate goes to clinton.
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May 28th, 2008 04:09 AM
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As much as I dont like her, its still a long time until the elections so by all means, she should be allowed to stay in the race.
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May 28th, 2008 04:11 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Schecter
dont forget michigan. magical michigan where EVERY delegate goes to clinton.
Oh, I haven't forgotten it.
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May 28th, 2008 04:43 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Schecter
dont forget michigan. magical michigan where EVERY delegate goes to clinton.
You keep forgetting the part where that's not true. 40% of the delegates are uncommitted. That means they can vote for anyone. And if they wouldn't vote for Clinton, guess who they would vote for....shocker.
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May 28th, 2008 05:42 AM
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Ron Paul???
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May 28th, 2008 06:42 AM
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Mike Gravel???
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May 28th, 2008 10:44 AM
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May 28th, 2008 11:37 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Strangelove
You keep forgetting the part where that's not true. 40% of the delegates are uncommitted. That means they can vote for anyone. And if they wouldn't vote for Clinton, guess who they would vote for....shocker.
how does this level the playing field? so clinton starts with 50% from a forfeit election. also, since the delegation would not have to vote for obama given the uncommitted status and no further election, who says they would vote for obama?
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