I agree that is not a quantificable feat, the phenomena is impresive, but that alone wont give us numbers in terms of energy release or force of power.
However, in the same feat, the Earth is being shake in a whole earthquake, so that is posible to measure, ot at least make the theory.
"The strongest earthquake was in 1960-Chile earthquake. M=9.5 and in 1964 “Alaska earthquake”. In the Chile the ground hole made by the earthquake was 1000 kilometers long. The energy was 1025. It is equal to 1000 nuclear bomb explosion. We can say that earthquake is strong if its magnitude is more than six points and it can provoke big destruction"
To move the whole planet in earthquakes, will be needed a bigger force of energy than the one in Chile/alaska that it said to be 1000 nuclear bomb explosion, therefore the power of son Goku according to the feat is superior to that.
Now this "theory" it could be more clear it we find an analisis of how much force of energy is needed for the planet to shake.
Now i know toriyama did not care about this theories, he just made the history, that is why DB is fun to debate, because is down to interpretations.
Yes, shaking the earth from powering up is a feat. I'm not sure how you would calculate it, but I would guess it would be a multiple-teraton level feat, being conservative.
I was reading that the the K-T event (Cretaceous-Tertiary Mass Extinction event). have a impact equivalent to pass 100 teratons, and that enough did not shake the planet in his total (although it create a huge impact in the atmosphere, and a big crater, and burn and cover the planet, creating the ice age)
there is also the factor that Goku is in middle earth creating the planet movement and not underground, wich indicated that the energy output, without any impact or phisical contact, to shake the planet from a period of time, will have a from 100 teratons to a petaton force energy, minimum.
Anyway a distributed energy force is different from a direct impact. It's likely that the K-T impact did shake the earth somewhat, you would probably be able to feel the shockwaves from standing on the far side of the planet once they reached you. In fact I read a theory once that said the Himalayan mountians were formed from the shockwaves of the K-T asteroid converging on the opposite side of the earth.
Anyway, it depends on whether just the tectonic plates were shaken or the planet was shaken down to the core, which we really don't know.
There was a lot of arguing in the Storm respect thread, because people were misrepresenting her feats. If necessary, the mods can just move/delete all of the non-relevant posts.
is asume that the kt reaction eventually will be felt at least like a little earthquake shockwave, and you are right, a reaction of this event create volcan eruptions on the whole planet, but that is because the impact of the meteor damage the tectonic plaque down IN the center of the Earth.
I was also reading the creation of the moon was a bigger event, and that did not break our planet, i imaging that to crack the earth and create the satelite would have a petaton force, according to some readings i made.
Asuming that Goku is just generating energy, and that Toriyama was thinking in phisics, his feat of Shaking the planet is in the range of the Kt event or the creation of the moon event, in my opinion.
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Goku has 6 DB, with the RR defeated only one baall is needed, but the radar cant detect the last ball.
The others could not believe Goku alone defeated the biggest terrorist army.
To find the last DB, Roshi remember the all seing crone, who can find anything, but the price to pay is 10 miilions zeni(DB money) or to fight her 5 warriors
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but vvendetta isnt misinterpretting them, the other guy is, take it out of here. Im pretty sure theres a topic about this exact topic (the DBZ power levels)
Krillin and Yamcha with the help of the others advance as a team, Krillin was eliminated by the kick boxer vampire, but Yamcha get to pass and beat the invisible man, the second champion, the third champion is the living mummy, faster and stronger, Yamcha give a good fight, but finally is defeated, only Goku remain and 3 champions of the dead to go.
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Well the KT event wiped out a good percentage of all life on earth, which didn't happen when Goku powered up. Although I suppose you could argue that the extinctions were mainly due to all of the dust thrown into the atmosphere from the impact that blocked out the sun. As for the moon, it obviously wasn't that strong since huge chunks of the earth weren't flying off of it.
I suppose you might be able to calculate it by getting statistics on an earthquake and the area it covered, plus the energy it released, then multiplying it by enough times to equal the total surface area of the earth. However I don't know where to find such information.
Right, but he was the one who engaged me in debate. I suppose I could just ask him to continue this in PMs (Vvendetta if you read this and want to reply PM me your reply).
I think is very clear that one event is the meteor impact and another is the reaction of that impact and the consequences, as the videos show, what i asume is that the KT event did not shake the planet all at once, if it did, it was more as a chain reaction after the impact, i hope i am clear.
I give you the reason that we need more data to give an exact number, but i think that a diference with another feats in DBZ, this one it can have a calculation or a theory. an idea of the minimum energy Goku SSJ3 have to expele to shake the planet.
A teraton force is a earthquake with 10 degrees in the richter scale, in the epicenter will it be the maximum release of energy, a more distance, the seismic waves will travel, the less it will be feel in the Richter scale. the Kt impact is being "calculated" in 100 + teratons in the place of impact, a more far from this event, the less is felt by the impact.(but what the reaction or the impact create is another subject)
In the case of Goku feat, is him like the epicenter of the energy he is creating the earth to move at the same time, so i can asume Goku has a greater energy than the Kt event, but as you say more data is needed to give a exact qauntity.
I think if people want to participate in this debate is ok, if is bothering somebody, then they could just ignore it. and look for the feats.
Not all feats in fiction are quantifiable, this is fictional comics and not real world physics.
Are you trying to say that Kibito's statement was about something normal is happening?
"I...I CANT BELIEVE WE CAN FEEL IT FROM HERE"
Is that normal for you?
Prove me in Saiyan Arc that ki can travel between dimensions. At least show me the same feats I'm talking about from Saiyan Arc.
In Saiyan Arc, the only character that can track other beings in another dimension is Kaioh and that is not Ki sensing, its his ability to track anyone.
Like what? Like gaining dragon ball information from fantranslation manga and proving Akira Toriyama's statements were wrong.
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So then how do you justify using it as a feat of power and claiming it makes him superior to any other character?
So he was surprised. And...? What does that prove? Nothing. He's just saying "Wow, he's stronger than I thought he was!" That's completely meaningless without any frame of reference to compare it to.
King Kai's planet is in another dimension. He senses Vegeta and Nappa.
What are you talking about? Of course it's ki sensing. Since when does he have the ability to "track anyone"? He didn't know about the androids (because they had no ki). Stop making things up and ignoring the evidence.
Kibito is a higher rank Kaio than King Kai anyway, so naturally he would have even better abilities.
Like actually using canon evidence to back up my statements and not making shit up out of thin air.
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