Are you telling me that the presence of an exploding planet, solar system and galaxy can reach another universe?
I know you know how large the universe is, but I'm not trying to prove that Goku can destroy a galaxy or something. What I'm trying to say is that the presence of galaxy buster can't reach another universe while SSJ3 Goku's energy can.
It's not just a surprise. Did you even read what Kibito's statement was?
Learn the difference between "I CAN'T BELIEVE WE CAN FEEL IT FROM HERE" and "Wow, he's stronger than I thought he was!".
"I CAN'T BELIEVE WE CAN FEEL IT FROM HERE" =/= "Wow, he's stronger than I thought he was!"
Kibito was talking about the energy they felt and the place where he can't believe they felt SSJ3 Goku's energy. It's different from your statement.
You can fool the others but not me. From Kaioh's planet, Goku can't sense Vegeta/Nappa's energy in the mortal universe. Then, Kaioh's statement about tracking Vegeta/Nappa:
"LET'S SEE.. MAYBE I CAN LEARN WHEN THEY'RE DUE ON EARTH.."
"LET'S SEE.. MAYBE I CAN LEARN WHEN THEY'RE DUE ON EARTH.."
Is that what you're talking about energy being sensed in another universe?
To learn they're due on earth is NOT KI SENSING, its Kaioh's ability to track creatures. As a proof, Goku didn't sense Vegeta's energy in the mortal universe.
Higher rank doesn't mean he would have better abilities.
Kibito has a higher rank than Kaioh, are you telling me that Kibito can telepathically contact anyone in another universe?
Kaiohshin has a higher rank than Kibito, are you telling me that Kaiohshin can teleport in another universe?
Look who's talking.
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What? This is a complete non-sequitur. Sensing something from another dimension does not give any facts on how powerful it is. Many characters in fiction have such heightened senses that they can detect things like single atoms from other universes.
And your point is....?
An exploding galaxy can't type on the internet either, so I guess that makes us more powerful than exploding galaxies.
It's a completely irrelevant comparison, since ki in DBZ is known to travel to other dimensions, while normal energy is not.
Being sensed by someone else is not a feat of power.
Let's try another comparison: In an episode of Star Trek: Voyager, they used a weapon known as a "Tri-Cobalt Device" to destroy a space station. It was stated that said device was powerful enough to tear a rift into subspace (another dimension). Now an exploding planet/star/galaxy/etc. can't do that. Does that make the Tri-Cobalt device more powerful? Of course not, it's just a special property it has. It took 2 of them to blow up the space station after all, and it wasn't very big or durable.
Really? What is the difference then?
Kibito did not think Goku's energy could be sensed from that dimension. He sensed it anyway. So that means Goku was stronger than he thought he was. It doesn't say anything about how strong he actually is.
Because King Kai's ki sensing abilities were superior to Goku's at that time. How is this difficult to understand? It certainly makes more sense than making up a completely non-canon power for King Kai which is completely unrelated to sensing ki. Occam's Razor, "do not multiply entities unnecessarily". King Kai used his ki sensing powers to detect Nappa and Vegeta en route to earth. Show me where it says it was a completely different power.
Also, stop posting those huge images, it's annoying.
No, that's King Kai's specialty, as he stated himself. I'm talking about generic ki sensing.
Yes he can. In fact this ability was a major plot point, it's how he saved Gohan and how he went to New Namek to use Porunga to help defeat Kid Buu.
Name one time I have simply made something up, like saying King Kai has a power to track people from across dimensions that has absolutely nothing to do with ki.
Like I said, Gohan, Kibito and Kaiohshin didn't locate SSJ3 Goku's energy, its the energy that locates them. Gohan was training at that time, they're not monitoring the mortal universe, SSj3 Goku made himself felt in another dimension. Most important of all, they wouldn't feel Goku if his energy was not enough to reach another dimension. Goku explained Buu about his transfoirmation,
From Kaiohshin realm, did Kibito feel super saiyan level 1 in mortal universe? Super Saiyan Level 2 in mortal universe?
Good point, but I'm talking about the presence and not their properties. The presence of two energies, an exploding galaxy and an energy that you can sense in another universe. For example, the sunlight can reach another galaxy, can a candle light do that? My point here is about the potential of SSJ3 Goku's energy and not the actual damage he can do.In Electrical Engineering terms, I'm talking about the potential difference or voltage and not the current.
Kibito did not think that Goku's energy could be sensed from that dimension, meaning even Freeza's energy couldn't reach that dimension. It's about energy not being normal to reach another universe.
It was different, why? because he can use that too watch over the universe not ki sensing, it was stated as watch over the universe. Ki sensing is not watching.
I'm talking about Kaiohshin, not the fused Kaiohshin and Kibito.
Kibito's ability to teleport is KaiKai - it was stated in the daizenshuu that unlike shukan ido, it doesn't require Ki sensing.
Before you react, Daizenshuu was produced by bird studio (equivalent of Marvel and DC company), Toriyama was a part of Bird Studio.
Toriyama, "Tori" means bird in japanese, BIRD studio.
Kaioh didn't know about Cell, Cell is far stronger than Nappa. Again, energy that can reach another universe is not normal.
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Sorry I didnt find Japanese or English, you can turn off the volume and watch the visuals, check the scans to know what is going on :P
I went through roughly every page, but I can't find the scan where Krillin and Yoshi fight and play rock, paper, scissors and do all kinds of craziness in a second.
Has it not been posted yet or am I just not as attentive as I thought...
First time i see this version, this part is the mayor reason i accept the Buu saga, it look that if DB finish in the Cell saga, this part would be missing, this part put the circle of their relation complete, and is my favorite part of the manga and anime
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