He has the same body parts, he does not have the same weaknesses. If someone pelts a stone at my temple, it can cause great damage. If someone shoots Hulk in the head, he doesn't care. Stupid point.
Hulk has broken adamantium before, and it won't do any significant damage besides give him superficial cuts. That is why Wolverine has never given Hulk any trouble, and he is much faster and far more adept at using adamantium. He's also more durable than Blade.
Says who? He was shown to growl when being shot, you are the one deciding he got hurt, despite getting shot repeatedly in the face and barely blinking. So, no, you're wrong.
Proof? I want factual, undeniable proof that contradicts everything else we saw in that scene. Because he was shooting Hulk in the face and shooting Hulk with grenades at close range and they weren't hurting him.
Hulk turned his bones to, quoting the doctor, "broken gravel" with one foot. So what? Blonsky was able to dodge him and therefore you say Blade can. Supposing we give you that, then what? What is he gonna do? You say "Definitely dodge Hulk and safely get to a position, unhindered, where he could successfully and quickly decapitate him." yes? No. Adamantium's effectiveness depends on strength behind it. He could not cut Hulk's head off (Have you seen Hulk's neck?), and he could not pierce his temple if close range bullets couldn't even break the skin on his face.
These are facts.
Hulk is stopping Blade from jamming it in is temple, you silly boy. What part of that are you not getting? Why are you assuming it's that simple? Bullets, fired with far more force and power than Blade can exert with any sword, did not even break the skin on his face.
Why is Blade going to be able to successfully mount Hulk and conjure up the time and strength (That he doesn't have either of) to plunge his sword into Hulk's temple far enough to kill him?
He isn't, fact. He just isn't. Sensibly, it's not gonna happen.
Fine.
Nobody denied it's ability to cut him, but if you're fast enough you might be able to give me a paper cut, what's the point?
Cuts from a sword do not kill Hulk. So if anything is going to have to be a head wound, it's still not gonna happen based on what we've already seen in the movie. Blonsky had to keep moving or he was finished, and he never managed to hurt Hulk at all, fact. So Blade isn't even gonna have time to do what you claim.
He's not. He'd never have the time, and he'd never have the power.
And Blonsky didn't do a thing to Hulk. Blade would have to keep moving, so what? He'd maybe land some cuts, super. This whole fight hinges on Blade having the time and strength to get into a position where he could jam his sword into Hulk's head, and that wouldn't happen for many reasons.
In your opinion? We know about your "opinion", though. In your opinion, Hulk was hurt by bullets and Blonsky. Factually neither happened, so you're wrong.
Funny how it's gone from Blade beheading Hulk to Blade jumping on his back and getting a temple stab, odd stuff.
Dark-Jaxx,
Do you realize that the temple has bone, which would be even harder for Blade to pentrate than Hulk's skin? This is also assuming Hulk will just sit here and not only let Blade mount him, but get the perfect angle to deliver a piercing blow. Which sensibly thinking, would [maybe] pierce the skin and then stop at the temporal bone.
Yeah, it is a second-rate Hulk, and until Hulk does have a durability feat like surviving a nuke, he isn't as durable, deal with it. He sure as hell isn't as strong.
All those feats, friggin She-Hulk could survive, let alone comic Hulk.
That's you assuming movie Hulk can't do something simple because he didn't do it. You realize it was a two hour movie, they possibly couldn't fit ever single little feat.
"Hulk never picked up a firetruck, ergo, Hulk can't pick up a firetruck." Nonsense.
Hulk was shown to have the same potential, you're just letting your bias cloud logic.
Either way, your bias aside. The Hulk in the movie showed to be more than capable of not only shrugging off Blade and his sword, but being able to disable or kill him in one hit. Take and deep breath and deal with that.
1. Sure in the forehead, oh...and handgun bullets are not as deadly as an adamantium blade wielded by Blade.
2. Huc has broken Adamantium before? Bullshit, even comic Huc has not, unless you are referring to when he ripped Wolverine in half, which from what I understand was because there was no adamantium around his joints, the most I have ever heard of Huc breaking was an adamantium needle, and that was an alternate universe in comics. Oh and btw...WTF is so hard to get about Movie Hulk being weaker than comic Hulk? Movie Hulk took several haymakers to tear apart a friggin police car.
3. He was slightly dazed by them, and his head was recoiled, like I said, minor, but he felt it.
4. Can't give you proof other than how I interpreted it. Also, Ross said, and I quote,"By God he's actually doing it" implying he was harming Huc.
5. So what? BLONSKY WAS TOO FAST FOR HUC. It's like Spiderman and Sandman, Sandman is much stronger and more durable, but is sluggish, so Spiderman can pose a threat to him. Adamantium blade>>>>>Close range bullets. I believe Blade has the strength, strike speed, and blade skill to cut clean through Hulk with an adamantium blade. Blonsky got to a position where he could take several shots at Huc, why not Blade? Only Blade has the better equipment.
6. Silly boy? My aren't you the arrogant and bigheaded one. Adamantium is made of much tougher stuff than any kind of bullet, it will cut Hulk. Wolverine cuts the far more durable comic Hulk just fine with it.
7. It won't be a paper cut.
Cuts from a sword do not kill Hulk? We never saw Hulk get cut with a sword. Blonsky of course had to keep moving, but did not have the required things to kill Hulk. Blade does. The blade, strength, speed, and skill to use that blade.
8. And why would he not? Blonsky had time to light Hulk up with inferior weapons, why won't Blade have time to do the same with weapons that can hurt and kill him?
9. I love how, despite your arrogant attitude, you did not address a single point I just made in that statement.
Still irrelevant to the fight, as Blade won't be able to do anything except superficial/minor wounds with the sword. This is also on the grounds that he constantly keeps dodging, jumping and evading the Hulk while attacking no less.
A blade is a blade. Adamantium is irrelevant here, it's not any better that titanium, besides durability.
He cracked Ultron, a robot made of true adamantium, and it was never proven or disproved if Wolverine's joints had adamantium.
Either way, this is pointless since it's a movie forum and we're not discussing that. So, my apologies.
Point being, adamantium doesn't make a bit of difference, it's not sharper and Blade is still not strong enough to pierce Hulk.
So? What does "felt" even mean here? I feel a fly land on my arm, does me acknowledging that mean I'm hurt? Someone used the great analogy of a pillow fight. If someone is hitting me with a pillow, I block it and recoil, it's not hurting me, it's reflex.
How was he DAZED? Do you know what dazed means?
Ahh, so it's entirely based on you wanting to believe he hurt Hulk, despite there being no logical or realistic proof for that? Cool.
No, implying he was surviving, because when he said that, Blonsky was on the floor dodging something. He wasn't ever harming Hulk.
I know what you BELIEVE, Jaxx. You believe a lot of things that are absolute bs, or haven't happened. That's not the issue, the issue is that what you believe is wrong.
So what? Let Blade take shots at Hulk, Hulk was letting him. Blonsky never got close as Blade would need to, he had to keep moving to avoid being decapitatd.
Yeah, and what does that achieve? Nothing that Hulk can't heal from. Not only are you suggesting Blade would do all this and Hulk would do nothing, but you're taking away his healing, which he has.
It's called a comparison. In comparison it might as well be the same thing. Hulk will heal from it. Cutting Hulk's arm or body is not the same as Blade having the time, power and freedom to sit on Hulk and cut through his neck.
Blade doesn't have the strength to sever Hulk's head or even put his sword through it. An adamantium blade may be more dangerous than a bullet. but a bullet exploding from a gun carries more force on a single point than Blade can deliver with a sword, fact. It didn't even make Hulk flinch, so Blade wouldn't.
You deny this because you simply want Blade to win, the movie and Hulk's durability IN it prove otherwise.
Blonsky was walking toward him, pelting him from DISTANCE, which did NOTHING. Close-range bullets did NOTHING. Then he essentially just had to stay alive, he couldn't fight Hulk, nor could he harm him. So what would Blade do? He does not have the strength to decapitate Hulk, by far. So essentially all he could do is cut and run, which wouldn't do anything. No cut would be lethal, since Hulk can heal. He also gets stronger as he gets madder. You've conceded that he has both of those abilities in the Hancock thread, so don't try denying it here.
He grabbed the arrow, yes? So what? In the fight he was sluggish, slow moving. It was just a random swordfight and then a random fistfight. He wasn't even faster than Blade and he managed to kick his ass.
1. Which would allow it to cut through him. Wolverine AT HIS STRONGEST is class 2 in strength, and comic Hulk is some ways more durable than movie Hulk.
2. And I think he is. Now I will watch as you will try to say what I think is wrong, despite the fact that both of us are speculating whether it would or would not. Comes down to opinion really. IMO it would.
3. As in it caused him some minor pain as shown by facial expressions.
Wrong word, I'll give you that.
4. No logical or realistic proof Huc's skin is that durable either.
Well IMO it means he was holding his own against Huc, granted he was only a very minor threat to Huc, as there was no way he could kill him, but was holding his own nontheless.
5. And I say what you believe is wrong. Funny how that works isn't it?
Huc was letting Blonsky hit him? What is essentially a giant mass of pure destruction and anger at that point was LETTING Blonsky hit him? I find that hard to believe. No proof of that.
Never got close enough? He jumped on his friggin back dude.
6. I conceded he has healing, granted, but was never shown to regen something like an eye for instance, which actually is probably Huc's weakest point on his body.
True, but Huc's healing in the movie, though not slow, was not truly fast either, certainly not instant. Constant stabs or slashes to the same place would be hard to heal. And don't say Blade can't, Blade is fast enough to effortlessly dodge Huc the way Blonsky did, only Blade has more close combat skill.
7. Fact? I disagree. Blade is superhumanely strong and fast, both which apply to strike force, and has swordskill as well, which adds to strike force even more. Blade in a thrust or slash will provide more force than a bullet.
8. Other than make Hulk recoil and that his facial expression showed pain? Can't decapitate Huc? I'll concede on that point, I agree you are right, but he sure as hell can take out his eyes, which Huc has never shown to regrow, and also, if Blade were to cut into Huc's brain with a stab, then Huc would die, I will not assume he can heal his brain when he has never shown to.
9. It shows he has superhuman reflexes, or are you saying any normal sluggish person can do that? He wasn't sluggish when he leaped at Blade from like 30 feet before Blade could dodge. Matter of fact...Wtf makes you say he was sluggish at all? He wasn't in the movie slow at all, able to keep up with Blade just fine.
It's not opinion. Titanium or adamantium, it doesn't matter. The latter doesn't make it sharper, so your argument stems from the fact that his sword is more lethal cos it won't break. So what? It won't matter.
Unless you can factually prove those facial expressions mean he was in PAIN, then stop claiming it. Fact is, it was reflex. Proof? The fact that he then took grenades and bullets to the face without so much as flinching. Fact, the movie proves this. You are taking ONE part where he raised his arms by reflex and GROWLED (Like anyone guards themselves by reflex), as proof he was hurt.
He wasn't, this is a fact, and it is proven later. If bullets hurt him, he'd have recoil when he was getting shot in the face at point blank range.
Why are you calling him Huc?
No proof? Besides the whole movie? What is your issue?
He wasn't a threat to Hulk at all, what do you mean "minor"? He had weapons, it did nothing. He had no weapons, he had to survive, then he got more or less killed. How is that a threat? It's an annoyance. A moth flying around my face, just out of reach, isn't a threat.
He wasn't holding his own, you fool. Watch the movie. He fired everything he had, dodged Hulk for a bit, then got spenged into a tree. How was he holding his own? Staying alive for a bit does not equal "holding his own". Holding your own means giving an equal fight. Blonsky was not.
Mine is fact, yours is ignorance of fact. To sum up your argument:
"I think Blade would win because he could dodge Hulk, then somehow find the time and strength to cut through the neck of the Hulk, or plunge his sword into his temple, to kill him.". That's your argument, and all of that stems from not possible indication he could do it. The things Hulk endured proved that it takes a hell of a lot to even cut him, much less plunge a sword into his head or cut his head off. Blade simply does not have the strength, and he never exhibits such strength in the movies he has been in. What's the most impressive feat of strength Blade has ever done?
He was staring right at him with no attempt to block or move when Blonsky was shooting him in the face and it was doing NOTHING.
No he didn't, he jumped off his shoulder after running toward him. He didn't sit there trying to cut his way through the neck of a pissed off, 10ft tall mountain of destruction, who doesn't want him there.
You are proposing Blade would be successful in this. That in a matter of seconds he could jump on there and kill Hulk, all based on what? "I just think he could cos he's fast and Blonsky is fast.". It's not based on anything else.
I didn't see any damage to his face at all when he was getting shot in his face and his eyes were open.
So your argument, realistically, is that Blade will dodge Hulk, keep hurting him, and Hulk will not be able to do a single thing in return. That is truly your argument?
You are really holding this as your belief?
You can't disagree with fact. It won't provide more force than a bullet, because a bullet moves much faster than Blade, with much more power.
So please, what movie feats have proven that Blade has this kind of superhuman strength? I've never seen such feats.
I want factual proof that it was pain, because at this point all you are doing is interpreting it in the way it suits you. Everything in that scene proves...PROVES, that it was reflex. If bullets hurt him, why was he taking gunshots to the face without batting an eyelid? Stop being ridiculous.
But Hulk simply would not let him do that, he'd never have the time. Hulk would be coming for him all the time. Now you've conceded it's not decapitation and any stupid crap like that, you're saying it's a stab to the eyes? How are you being this dumb?
Do you have any idea how precise he would have to be, how much time he'd need? We're not talking about a dartboard, we're talking about the Hulk. He's not gonna hold his eyelids open and say "Go on, son.". Just concede that Blade wouldn't win, because he really wouldn't. Proof? It has come down to "Ok, maybe he can't do that, or that, or that, but IF he could stab through his eyes into his brain.". Yeah, if. He wouldn't, because he is Wesley Snipes Blade against the Hulk. It defies logic to assume anything other than Hulk killing him.
They are planning to have the Avengers themselves fight this guy, and if they are going to, indeed, have a FIGHT with him. What on EARTH makes you think Blade of ALL people, can kill him with such a precise and ridiculous attack?
When he transformed he was sluggish.
Anyway, my next reply will be considerably shorter. This is based solely on the fact that you have nothing to say but "If Blade dodged all his attacks and then rammed a sword through his eyesocket, he'd win.", despite it never being likely, and you interpreting shit as Hulk being in pain, when he factually was not, as proven in the movie.
Oh my... So now it has progressed from Blade decapitating Hulk, to Blade stabbing him through the temple and now Blade stabbing him in the eye. What's next? Ear? Pinky toe? Sigmoid colon?
AC, it is becoming painfully obvious we are never going to agree. I think it would be best to just agree to disagree. Deal?
Oh and was it confirmed the Avengers will fight Hulk in the movie? I read that they would only fight Hulk if there was no sequel to the movie or some crap like that. Though I fail to see how Hulk would provide a challenge to Thor if he really is in the movie, unless he acts like an idiot and fistfights him.
I tryed to end this debate on "friendly terms", and you respond with your typical narcissistic bullshit comment. What the hell is your problem?
This is a fantasy battle, which almost always depend on opinions. So we have differring opinions, so the fvck what?
No, but you have your head so far up your own ass that you see your opinion as unrefutable fact, and view anyone who has a differring opinion as wrong and unintelligent.
Some opinions are supported by facts or logical reasoning, eg Blade not being able to do much to the Hulk.
Some opinions are are supported by nothing except whimsical idiocy, eg Blade jumping on the Hulk's back, stabbing him through the eye and killing him, while simultaneously dodging all of Hulk's punches, kicks, stomps, slaps and grab attempts.
Edit: If you're going to say the super-Blonsky/Hulk fight, it's a piss-poor example. Blonsky didn't do shit similar to what you presume Blade would have to do while completely avoiding ever single of Hulk's hits/grabs. He jumped over the Hulk, fired a few rounds, dodged a few swings and then had to run away.
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