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There doesn't HAVE to be evidence, there has to be DOUBT. Doubt - reasonable doubt - is all there needs to be in order for someone to be found innocent. Evidence is what the side trying to prove guilt needs.
You're applying the burden of proof on the wrong side. Stop it.
Neither. You're creating a false dilemna by acting as if those are the only two options. It was a hectic and unfortunate situation in which some people were killed, and no one was in the right.
That would probably be manslaughter at most. But that situation you describe is missing one important aspect - one of the criminals charged him. That makes it self defense.
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I have no training or knowledge in that subject beyond reading a bunch of Detective Conan and watching some CSI. But I assume that there are some ways to gather evidence, we have been doing it for a good thousands of years.
So, the answer to your question whether you could possibly do that is "yes", the answer to your question whether I would like it is "no", the answer to the not yet stated, but implied, though not connected, question "Do you therefore think he should have been convicted even though there was reasonable doubt" is "No, certainly not".
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But given the situation you described, it sounds like it could be called heroism, depending on how one looks at it, seeing as how you stopped a person from being harmed.
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The reasonable doubt is that he shot a fleeing man in the back. Whether he was found guilty or not, do you think that was justified?
My whole argument is based on him giving only his word that he was charged. You think someone in his situation is gonna say different? You really think he is telling the truth?
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RJ, I said this before and I'll say it again since you apparently missed it the first time. They have ways of gathering evidence. Do you not think there were CSI guys there looking for footprints to back up the claim? It happened on the guy's lawn, there will be something there to back up the claim if it were true. The fact that the claim held up in court shows that they had something more to go on than his word. They can look at the position of the bodies, they can look at the way in which the grass is bent/broken, the way the dirt under the grass is situated, how much dirt is in the crevices of the shoe of the person who supposedly charged him. You act as if the court just said "Well, he said they charged, must be true, case closed". Obviously not the case.
And no, shooting the man in the back wasn't justified. Never said it was. In fact, I said the man was in the wrong. That doesn't mean it's murder, though. At that point he was probably panicked and mentally he was probably not in his right mind, not thinking straight, especially if he had just been charged. It probably all happened so fast that he didn't even think about it, he probably just fired several shots before even realizing it. So no, not justified, but understandable.
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All the ways you wish you could be, that's me. I look like you wanna look, I **** like you wanna ****, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.
All the ways you wish you could be, that's me. I look like you wanna look, I **** like you wanna ****, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.
All the ways you wish you could be, that's me. I look like you wanna look, I **** like you wanna ****, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.
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