Fvcking discrepancies. Novel Bob Lee is a vietnam vet, not a gulf war vet. And you know the crippled Russian in the movie? They combined two book characters into him. OK done rambling.
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If you are gonna start the series, I suggest you start with "Time to Hunt."
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I take that back, start with "Dirty White Boys." Bob Lee isn't in it, but in the end you find out they are linked.
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[QUOTE=10843250]Originally posted by Bardock42 You ****ing idiot, I told you that in the beginning, that was not the point I was making. Why, oh why, do you not understand the difference.[.quote] Dude, that was sarcasm.
When you said you were gonna watch Shooter, I took it as you were gona watch it for the first time, not that you were gonna see it again, thats my bad.
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Despite your little prefabricated scenario that puts Batman at a serious disadvantage and Swagger at a great advantage, I still say Batman would win this one.
Batman being Batman would have done his homework on Swagger before he engaged him, this is what Batman does (a defining aspect), he is proactive to the point of it being an obsession and is the reason why he defeats his foes time and time again. He would know that Swagger is an excellent shot so he wouldn't just roll-up in the Batmobile and jump out like a moron asking to be shot by a .50 cal.
Edit: Did you think this one out? Batman could just drive all the way up that twisting road in the safety and comfort of his Batmobile and take out Swagger without ever leaving the mobile.
In 1987, Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc., patented its self-described "armor-penetrating" .50 caliber BMG sniper rifle. Capable of destroying armored personnel carriers, aircraft and bulk fuel and ammunition sites, the .50 caliber sniper rifle is now proliferating in the civilian market. Accurate at up to 2,000 yards (20 football fields end-to-end) it can inflict effective damage to targets over four miles away.
First used by the military during the Gulf War, the .50 caliber BMG anti-armor sniper rifle is no ordinary rifle. Its design enables the destruction of military aircraft and heavy machinery from long ranges. The concept of discrete shooting distances shaped its use and image as an ideal sniper weapon. The .50 caliber was designed with the most exceptional power, accuracy and destructive characteristics of all semi-automatic rifles. The key to its lethality is the .50 caliber bullet. Although the size of the rounds is alarming, it is the energy at impact (ft-lb) that makes the rounds so destructive. Fifty caliber ammunition has more than 7 times the power on impact as the .30-06, 5 times that of the .308 and over three times that of the .338.
The deadliest .50 caliber ammunition is the Raufoss multi-purpose round. These bullets combine armor-piercing, explosive, and incendiary effects for maximum destruction. The United States Marine Corps notes that the Raufoss multi-purpose round can penetrate an inch of steel at 2000 yards.
Scene 2, when Danny Glover and Elias Koteas approach him about the job. He takes a pic of their SUV's "engine."
They leave, and as they are driving away, the third guy with them says "Did you see what he did? he didnt need a photo of the engine."
Elias Koteas says "Nah he doesnt give a rats ass about the engine, he's trained in Counter Intel, he took a picture of the plates."
And as for a testament to Swaggers knowledge of long range shooting, go to scene 4, where, after Swagger has scouted all three cities, he is explaining to Danny Glover, Elias Koteas and the rest of the Bad guys about all of the variables that come into play with such a long distance shot.
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I would wager that this rifle can either penetrate the Batmobiles armor, or at the very least shoot out the tires. The Batmobile is badass, but, like a regular car, without wheels it's useless.
And I never said Batman would just jump out and wave his arms around begging to be shot. He can jump around and hide behind trees all he wants, the rifle Swagger uses can shoot THROUGH the trees. Read the link thoroughly and you will see this to be true.
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You fail to recognize just how ridiculously (aka comic) impervious the Batmobile is.
You also fail to recognize that Batman would have done his homework on Swagger before he engaged him, so he certainly wouldn't drive into range if he knows Swagger has the ability to shoot him through his car at long range.
So Batman would exit his vehicle, then attempt to stealthily approach Swagger on foot? Swagger makes mile long head shots in his sleep, man. Hitting the Bat anywhere on his person would pose no problem.
Also, with the ridiculous power of the Rifle Swagger is using, which can shoot through an inch of STEEL, Batmans armor is a non factor, as is any cover Batman would use.
Movie Batmobile only please.
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You're failing here by attributing an approach to Batman that he simply wouldn't take. If he knows Swagger is his target, knows where he is beforehand and (would) knows what Swagger is capable of, he wouldn't place himself in a position where Swagger could snip him. It defies Bat-logic.
Might as well setup a scenario where Superman willfully inserts a kryptonite depository before the fight. Just wouldn't happen.
Well explain an approach Batman might take in order to apprehend Swagger. Mind you Swagger has cover all access points with claymores and has his G36 to fall back on, as well as his .45's.
"It defies Bat Logic" doesn't quite cut it.
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No, your scenario that clearly gimps Batman and places Swagger at a clear advantage because you already came to the conclusion that Swagger would beat Batman doesn't cut it, in fact, it lacks all objectivity.
Anyhow.
Modify the Batmobile so it could withstand a few shots and then take Swagger out long range before Swagger takes him.
Use satellite tracking to pinpoint Swagger's hidden location and come in from an airdrop stealthily.
Out-wait Swagger, dude would have to eventually get food or take a piss/shit.
Modify it how? There is nothing in the movies showing that the Batmobile can take a .50 caliber round, much less it's tires being bulletproof against such a round.
So he would jump out of the Batmobile, just HAPPEN to run across the Batjet, take to the air and attack from above? Swagger took out a heavily armored attack chopper, TWO of them, shooting down the Batjet would be child's play to him.
And IF Batman were to attempt to jump out and glide down at Swagger, Swagger would merely shoot him out of the air as easy as breathing.
Out wait Swagger? Dude, snipers are trained to wait as long as need be for their target. All soldiers carry rations/canteens. And you really think Swagger, as elite as he is, is gonna get up and use the John?
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It smashed through a speeding dump-truck headon without sustaining a scratch. It certainly is tough.
No, he wouldn't use the Batmobile in that scenario, he'd probably use a plane at high attitude. Also, I said "stealthily", meaning Swagger probably wouldn't know he's coming from above and therefore negate your "he would shoot him out of the sky".
How much food do you assume Swagger picked up on his escape to hide in your little scenario?
You have already come to the conclusion that you want Swagger to win because you like the character, so the scenario is setup to gimp Batman. You do this often. Why not just set it up to the point where Swagger can't lose and be done with it?
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