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Kovacs86
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The thing is that you dont know if he is dead or not.

Well, I could say that you can't prove Heath Ledger's dead. He's still dead. Doesn't change a thing.


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That is different. Heat Ledger is dead, there are pictures of his body. and its a weird comparation, this is real life and the other thing is a movie.
But we saw two-face's corpse being buried or something??? We have only seen his fall and him lying in the ground, and then some harvey dent memorial, but could you say that he is really death??? What is the evidence.


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Why else would there be a memorial?


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theres a possibility they were jus honoring his position since he obviously was retired either way...

mayb they jus secretly put him in arkham!

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theres a possibility they were jus honoring his position since he obviously was retired either way...

mayb they jus secretly put him in arkham!



I think that is a possibility


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First, what burton did was to kill the main villains like joker and penguin, somewhat totally stupid. Nolan wont do it and he will bring back two face for a new sequel. Two face story and potential is so rich and great that he couldnt be wasted in this way and only used in 20 minutes of screen time. Im sure that he will be back with a new and great story.


You misunderstood what I said...

You said that they could change Two-Face's story and motivations for the next film, which would be a disaster if they did... Nolan's films are CONNECTED... They are one big story told through 3 films... Changing Two-Face that drastically in the next one would be a disaster...

Burton's films were not one big story, each were their own story, so he could change around motivations for characters and such without having to worry about what happened in the previous film... THAT'S what I meant...


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Yea I think the only thing that tied Batman Returns and Batman together was the two Vicki Vale mentions (Bruce scolding Alfred for letting her in the batcave and him telling Selina about her)


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But really then Two Face was nothing more than a pawn in the Joker's game and that in itself I think for some Two Face fans like me kind of sucks. And then to have him die like that if he did die is pretty lame. Honestly I'd much rather have had him scarred and tortured and had the movie end with him being revealed as Two Face after the Joker was put away and Joker's ace in the hole speech and then have the third film focus on him. I loved what Aaron Eckhart did with the character but Two Face deserves more than just to kill a couple of crooked cops and then get shoved off a building by Batman. That's lame.


totally agree and it IS lame oh and nobody would disagree with you Now about Venom so thats really not a good point to bring up.after all,Raimi is an idiot director when it comes to that franchise just like Burton and Schumacher.Nolan isnt one of those idiots so I just dont see him pulling another Burton/schumacher on us.If that IS the end of two Face,well the rest of the batman movies will suck for me.


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Gordon WOULD mind the death. Dear Lord in the Killing Joke the Joker shot his daughter and then showed him naked pictures of her shot in sexually explicit positions and he still told Batman to bring him in by the books. I don't see him not being broken up about what happened at all. He was still obsessed with saving him when he thought he was in the building with the Joker and the hostages.

And I think there is still more story left for Two Face to tell. Batman did take the blame for the killings but it's not like they can't use Two Face as a catalyst to the next story...hopefully more effectively than they used the scarecrow. I mean when I really think about it though, Nolan has kind of ****ed over all the secondary villains in his movies so far. Scarecrow totally got the shaft and if Two Face is dead, or basically non existent in the next movie then that totally blows IMO as a huge Two Face fan. At the very least I would want for Two Face in the third movie to totally screw up what Batman's plan was and reveal himself to be Harvey Dent thus causing the chaos that Gordon and Batman feared on top of Batman's current battle with whoever the next villain is


yeah I would say that proves he WOULD mind.I totally agree.Yeah so what if batman took the blame for it all they could still use Two Face as a catalyst to the next story.Yeah thats one thing i dont care about the Nolan films as well is that the secondary villains seem to have gotten the shaft but I think you meant Ras got the shaft didnt you? cause Scarecrow was caught and locked up as Dark Knight showed. confused and yeah that really would suck to see them build him up like this just to have it all end on that kind of note.I also hope he comes back in the next film and screws up Batmans plans and reveals himself as harvey dent as well.I mean come on,I fail to see how anyone can be satisfied with them building him up to be Two face,he becomes two face briefly at the end,and just vanishes forever after that.That would suck.


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First, what burton did was to kill the main villains like joker and penguin, somewhat totally stupid. Nolan wont do it and he will bring back two face for a new sequel. Two face story and potential is so rich and great that he couldnt be wasted in this way and only used in 20 minutes of screen time. Im sure that he will be back with a new and great story.


Exactly rock rock thumb up Like I just said,Nolan has proven he is the only Batman director that knows what he is doing with the Batman movies.The only one that had a good vision for him.I just dont see him being the idiot that Burton and Schumacher were and killing him off.That would be just plain stupid.and Bakerboy,dont bother with the nutty professor.The kid obviously has proven that he gots to stoop to childish insults when people dont agree with him.ignore him.He's not worth the time.


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Exactly rock rock thumb up Like I just said,Nolan has proven he is the only Batman director that knows what he is doing with the Batman movies.The only one that had a good vision for him.I just dont see him being the idiot that Burton and Schumacher were and killing him off.That would be just plain stupid.and Bakerboy,dont bother with the nutty professor.The kid obviously has proven that he gots to stoop to childish insults when people dont agree with him.ignore him.He's not worth the time.


Once again, my post has been misinterpreted...

I can't make it any clearer than I already have... I don't understand why everyone seems to be misinterpreting it...


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There is no need for Two Face in the third movie.

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There is no need for Two Face in the third movie.


Agreed...


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Agreed...

I don't like the way the watered down version of him was presented in the Dark Knight either though if he is dead. I think they could have done a movie that would be very good without exploiting him like that.


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Agreed...


oh brother.i give up.Im not going to repeat it AGAIN why it is imperative he NEEDS to be in the next sequal. roll eyes (sarcastic)


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oh brother.i give up.Im not going to repeat it AGAIN why it is imperative he NEEDS to be in the next sequal. roll eyes (sarcastic)


And I don't need to explain why he DOESN'T... But I will anyway, since nobody seems to be getting it...

HIS STORY IS FINISHED... HE HAS NOTHING LEFT TO DO... HE DID WHAT HE WANTED TO DO... THERE IS NO REASON FOR HIM TO COME BACK...


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And I don't need to explain why he DOESN'T... But I will anyway, since nobody seems to be getting it...

HIS STORY IS FINISHED... HE HAS NOTHING LEFT TO DO... HE DID WHAT HE WANTED TO DO... THERE IS NO REASON FOR HIM TO COME BACK...


and like "I" said before,if Nolan doesnt bring him back in the next sequal,that will equal the stupidity of Burton,Schumacher and Raimi the way those three idiots killed off important villains.so far Nolan has been pressing the right buttons,dont NOW go and be an idiot like those3 stooges.Those 3 stooges i would expect something idiotic like that from them.Nolan is not the idiot those 3 comicbook directors are.


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And I don't need to explain why he DOESN'T... But I will anyway, since nobody seems to be getting it...

HIS STORY IS FINISHED... HE HAS NOTHING LEFT TO DO... HE DID WHAT HE WANTED TO DO... THERE IS NO REASON FOR HIM TO COME BACK...


Agreed.

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I largely disagree. As far as I'm concerned, only his origin stories are finished. There is much more that could be done with the character, so to me to kill him off now would be a waste of such a great villain.


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I largely disagree. As far as I'm concerned, only his origin stories are finished. There is much more that could be done with the character, so to me to kill him off now would be a waste of such a great villain.


Like what? I'd really like to know exactly what he could do that would make sense... But all anyone is saying is "he can come back, it'd be a waste if he didn't"...

We need to face it: He can't really do much... His character was driven by giving those ASSOCIATED WITH RACHEL'S DEATH a fair "trial"... Now that most of them are dead, he has no reason to come back...


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