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Agreed, since they probably want to stop after the third, I think it should be open ended anyways, with Batman succeeding and beating his enemies, maybe clearing his name in some way or another, the Batcave being done and in that fashion, Riddler could already show some of his insanity.
That would be the best way to do it, I think. I'm sure WB/ DC wouldn't let them have any irreparable conclusion to the story, as they'll want to continue the franchise, sooner or later, even if Nolan (quite rightly) probably won't.
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If there is a Batman 3, Nolan's series will effectively end. He'll go and so will the cast (or most of it), I'm sure. It won't, however, be long before some WB executive arsehole decided that they haven't quite milked this cashcow enough, and they get some dumbass action-crazy director to direct (read: Brett Ratner).
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Oh no...I know that WB would never be idiotic enough to hire Brett Ratner for any DC hero. But the franchise needs to end after the third movie, and then maybe we could get another franchise in another 10 years with a new take on characters.
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but they only stopped the last "franchise" after batman and nipples...i mean robin, and that was only because it flopped.
with batman's popularity now, they may try and have as long a run as they can, until we get another disaster and then another decade to get the taste of it out of our mouths before they release anything else.
Precisely what I saying, freek.
I'm pretty sure that WB won't just give up on such a lucrative franchise until one of their film completely fails, both critically and commercially.
And I didn't literally mean WB would hire Brett 'THE DEFILER' Ratner. I was using him as an example of the kind of shite director who would kill a brilliant series in one fell swoop.
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I hope WB is smart enough to stop after the third movie. It's the perfect place to stop. Make three movies and then stop, then start a new franchise in another decade or so and if whoever directs is good, go for more than three movies. But with his previous franchise, we can't risk it this time around.
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Yes, that may well be the best way they could do it. HOWEVER, you're not thinking like a WB exec. They've just hit the jackpot. The latest Batman film is breaking records in the Box Office. They're not gonna bring out one more Batman film and just pull the plug on their biggest franchise when they still see potential to rake in much more cash.
Whatever you think about the quality and ethics of the two companies, the WB/ DC suits are really no different to the Marvel guys. Think about how crappy Spider-Man and X-Men's third installments were, but Marvel seem to want at least 3 more Spidey movies and a Venom spin-off, and they seem to be treating us to a whole new series of X-Men 'Origins' spin-offs. These guys aren't just going to give up when they know that they're onto a winner.
It's heartbreaking, I know, but generally true in Hollywood. Hell, it's true everywhere. If you can get money, get it, and forget about all the loyal fans you're raping in the process.
If WB have the audacity to bring out a Watchmen computer game, they're not going to shy away from a bigger market with fans that are somewhat less judgemental and 'fussy'. This is how these guys pay for their nth swimming pools and Rolls Royces.
Or whatever they're into these days.
It's the sorry truth, I'm afraid, my friend...
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Or until Nolan's done...they should be smart enough to know that the franchise shouldn't go on too much longer. I could see if Nolan stuck around to make it maybe a four or five movie franchise, but after TDK he said he's creatively burnt out, so imagine how burnt out he'll be after he finishes the third movie.
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The thing about Nolan, I think, is that he isn't the usual kind of whore director (Michael Bay, George Lucas) with minimal talent who'll bleed a story dry with uninspired reruns of old ideas. He'll stop when his story's over. If that story's done after the Dark Knight, he'll stop, but I think he's still got one good story in him. He'll quit when he's winning; I think he cares a lot about producing good films (and his track record shows as much). I think that there's little or no chance of a 4th or 5th film from Nolan.
And what makes you think WB execs care about the integrity of their character more than they do about their bank balance? I don't doubt Batman 3 will be successful, and, hell, why should WB stop when they've still got a series as near-flawless as Nolan's, only to start again?
I think the best way to continue if they do post-Nolan and co, would be to do an Incredible Hulk- not really retconning the story, but having a new series of films taking place some time later. That way they can jump right into the story and hopefully produce a new series of quality films.
It is perfectly possible that Batman 4 could be a good film. There are directors who could make it work. Just because there's a poor track record for comic series that run to 3 or 4 films (Batman Forever/ & Robin, Superman 3 & 4, Spider-Man 3, X-Men 3), it doesn't mean someone can't pull it off.
I say they should wait a few years and find the perfect director and story. They just need a quality director, maybe Bryan Singer (admittedly, he's probably had it with comic films lately) or, I dunno... someone who know what they're doing. Someone more Nolan (more independent, a quality director) rather than a Bay (someone who 'does' action, but actually has minimal talent) or a Ratner.
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Once again i agree, if he feels the story is over he will quit, Nolan does not seem the type to keep producing film after film unless he feels there is something in the story for him to do so.
Quite so. Had Nolan actually made a sequel before he directed the Dark Knight? This is a director who is devoted to art, not to money. I think he genuinely does his job for the love of it.
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Exactly. I mean, just look at "The Dark Knight". Nolan had no clue how much it would make, and didn't even care during production. All that he cared about was making an awesome movie(which he was successful at).
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