It's a fact, unless you can prove it was physical strength. What Goku could possibly be doing to the earth physically when he was floating in the air transforming to SSJ3 I don't know.
And his flight momentum had nothing to do with this?
Lie. He kicked him through two islands, nothing about the crust or earthquakes in that feat.
"Doomsday's Kryptonian Genetics allow him to cause Superman great pain"
Actually I was talking about an earlier incident in OWAW. And how is it different? Both Apokolips and New Genesis exploded - it was a double planet - destroying attack, and he was at the center of it. No one in DBZ has ever showed that much power or durability.
This again? Use your brain for once (if you have one).
Superman is powered by solar energy, which is a form of light.
Doctor Light has complete control over light.
Do you see why he would be able to hurt Superman?
What spaceship? Be more specific because I don't know the incident you are referring to here. And it's not exactly much of an argument to claim that he was hurt by a weapon with unknown properties.
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And do you have proof these attacks were particularly weak?
Gog is a cosmic being who would easily solo the DBU.
What the hell are you rambling about? The only way a crossover would be canon would be if it was approved by DC and Toriyama. No such crossover has ever been written, so all crossovers are simply fanfiction that could be written any way.
How is this relevant?
Besides, Champion is an Elder of the Universe who has been fighting for billions of years and punched a planet apart, and Juggernaut is powered by an Odin+ level being.
Wolverine is pathetic and overrated as hell. What's your point?
And...? It's a tagline. Not literal. Just like Iron Fist isn't actually immortal.
Because he usually holds back. He doesn't want to vaporize everyone and everything in the vicinity (usually).
Dub filler crap.
Here is the real scan, from the canon manga, that supercedes the anime:
I mean really, when you claim shit like that, and then claim EM, who actually is considered an authority on both Superman and Goku, doesn't know anything...
There is a reason no one considers you an authority on anything.
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I think when it says that it means it shook the earths population, in the actual comic there was no mention of he eartsh core, windows where shattered, and the final deahblows casued a creator to apear below where they wheer standing..not that u even see it..shti liek thsi always happens, people try to say that supes vs darksied shook the sloar system when it never !
I dont know why they consider you a authority when half of the time youre taking things out of context and basically posting scans that dont mean jack. I think that you're average. Some of the best debaters is in the comic book vs forum.
and has also been injured by blast and koed by blast also. Superman heat vision has good showings and sometimes it has bad showing. Average showing, superman heat vision aint shit.
It dont have to be a physical attack since wonder woman has fallen to blast on so many of occasions.
who's to say that if he was in a fight his opponent would ALLOW him to sundip.
Which mean what. You do know that a imperex probe is powered by the same energy but had to build a weapon to destroy the planet earth. You do know that a imperex probe is powered by the same energy but they tried to use a space ship to destroy part of the earth because they didnt have the power to do so (until wonder woman mother prevented it from happening). The probes was powered by the same energy of the big bang but has yet to display any kind of high energy feat. war world planet was smaller then pluto and we dont know how much force the engines was using against superman so the feat isnt as impressive as you make it out to be. Again he had to sundip.
He was flying. Post the scan and you're going to see the human carrying the chains (which you think is so great) and you're also going to see him in mid flight. He sure as hell was standing.
I dont care what jonn mentioned. The point that you're not getting is that mere humans was carrying the chains that superman was pulling so again the feat isnt great he just had to put in some work. you do know that superman strained pretty bad when lifting a pyramid.
Or you can think about it like this. Even though goku has punching feats that puts him above class 100 strength you need to stop using what superman picked up against a character that dont fly around picking up objects. Frieza with his tail threw goku from the ground to cloud height. Vegeta almost through nappa out of orbit and he wasnt even powered up.
How about you actually reading the comic instead of adding shit.
Stop making excuses. There are plenty of beings that broke through that construct. Gl can make bubble gum to almost anything with his gl ring. He made a construct that had the weight of 100 tons and titus struggled to break free from it but again he one shotted superman TWICE.
Prove it.
So I guess despero claws is on that level to since he slice some skin off of superman face.
Again, prove that these people are as strong as him due to them affecting his durability.
I say the same about you since you throw things out of context and add things to comics that dont belong. Like superman pushing planets and superman fighting at light speed or even past the speed of sound. If he has done this, prove it. Remember, I said pass the speed of sound, not the speed of sound.
I guessed you missed the point. Superman cant perform none of the feats that I brought up.
It did more damage then anything that superman has done in a comic. Superman most damaging feat is from a cartoon, jlu when he fought captain marvel. Hell, him and darkseid fight didnt even do any damage to a barn.
Look at the fight and you'll realize this.
I know the real reason on why the area was being destroyed. Reread the comic and stop throwing things out of context. You did get one part right, superman and zod had a lot to do with it but I'll let you read the comic again to find out the real reason. Dont want to spoil the fun.
Why dont you just read the comic, authority. LOL
If they were fighting so fast how did someone with human reaction, etc... max lord, see the entire fight. Again, show me some scan of light speed fighting again.
Arion never said that he increased his speed up to superman level (whatever that is), he just brought up that he got a speed boost. Dont let me name everyone in comics that has speed. Arion didnt do anything impressive in that entire fight to make me think that he was even close to the speed of sound unless you have a scan proving otherwise.
Stop making up shit, prove to me that arion speed made him faster then spiderman. Before he had human reflexes during his transformation I want you to prove that he was faster then spiderman and dont say because he fought superman because solomon grundy also fought superman and spiderman>>>grundy when it comes to speed.
I said I want you to show me Superman avoid super speed attacks. I know you read in the jla vs amazo fight that superman cant counter super speed attacks, frieza and goku just move there head side to side from super speed attacks.
I want you to prove that superman can combat past the speed of sound let alone light. If we can prove on both we still have facts that goku combat speed>>>>>supermans.
I think the same about you.
You didnt prove anything with that fight since max lord seen the entire thing.
I used the fact that goku stood still while light speed attack went through him, blast that made it to the moon instantly. I use the fact that he flew faster then light speed attacks, slapped light speed attacks, etc...
So we basically ignore science for superman and accept it for goku. That seem fair, overrall it is a damn comic.
Above someone like hercule, everyone else would physically hurt superman since black canary did.
He was blood lusted the entire time. The slash across the neck it what brought him back to himself. Again read comics before posting about them authority.
no comment because you're ridiculous. I can show you one combat speed feat from frieza that trumps superman entire career.
That still dont change the fact that hes a brute. Champion know every fighting style in the universe but he is still considered a brute. Juggernaut was in the army and know good h2h combat but guess what, hes still a brute. Colossus has been trained by both captain america and wolverine but again he is a brute. So whats your point?
LOL at that speed blitz. Raditz was pulling feats like that in his dream. I have seen rogue pull similar feats. Thats more of a bull rush then anything else and stop showing me those wack ass combat speed when it dont even compare to what goes on in dbz.
LOl, so goku dont blitz.
Now this is true since he is a mere brick and his entire rogue gallery consist of nothing but bricks.
I guess superman entire career is filled up with nothing but pis.
To bad that in dbz comics thats all they do is blitz so your lol was pointless. Picollo blitz frieza and got crushed, the ginyu force blitzed goku and failed, nappa blitzed goku and failed, dragonball is built around blitzing. Stop trying to make up reasons for superman not blitzing because hes a damn brute.
Read your scans before posting them. Again goku from regular dragonball would blitz the hell out of polaris and beat him quiet easily.
Im not talking about him transforming, Im talking about when he kicked frieza and the kick had the planet shaking and the z warriors falling.
Nope, since he wasnt flying at all, just huvering.
Look at it again then maybe you'll find out why picollo and the other warriors couldnt stand up and they were miles away from the fight.
Thanks for the info, you finally got something right without taking it out of context.
Good point but his other side of his durability has him getting nailed by helicopter missles and taking a smaill explosion by a superhuman on war world saying that it hurts.
Maybe you need to use your brain since half of the time you bring up things in comics that never happened.
That was never said in the comic. Again, stop making up things. Superman got one shotted, deal with it and again that blast would have never even grazed goku that fought junior. Nice try though.
No, I dont see why since you dont have anything proving what you said and it was never stated on panel.
The same space ship that almost killed captain marvel. Youre suppose to be an authority and know everything about superman you should know what Im talking about.
Its pis because it happened to superman. What if I was to tell you that it happened more then once.
Thats your opinion.
That superman got crushed in front of millions of people. You do know that the guy who wrote the fight was originally a dc writer.
I guess you didnt get the point of my post.
Thats your opinion, I find him to be quite interesting. One of my favorite characters.
So he basically let the innocent die when he could have easily taken out kalibak and mantis before getting KOED. Humans would have gotten killed if it wasnt for orion.
LOL at this. And yet humans was standing around freely looking at each punch. Do you know what kind of force a punch that could shake the planet and shock waves that would be giving off. Louis Lane stood right in front of the fight and watched superman die to the last blow. Almost every building was in contact. There punches wasnt nothing but window shattering, deal with it.
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Gog was Superman level ?? i dont think so, is thta why supes was fighting of Gog after Gog by himself before doomsday stepped in, you coudlt tell he is much weaker than supes, but in great numbers very dangrous, besides in !In the name og gog" supes was KO and presumed dead by and attack that didnt even destroy a city.... Goku took 2 nuke level attacks of king piccolo and lived... now im not saying gouk as a kid is more powerful than supes cause i know hes not just saying....
Plus when do you ever see Supes and Dd blows damagign the planet ?? nothing on tyat scale is ever mentioned before he beats doomsday he says for lois for jimmy for the entire city or somethign liek that...
I wont go so far as to say that Pyron can solo all of DBZ but Kid Buu 9 times outta 10 aint survivin the punch. The guy can make himself so hot that he can melt a planet just by standing over it or floatin pass it (that really happened).
he is so big Buu wouldn't even know he was bein punched by someone.
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It wasn't just Superman, but several Supermen with DD fighting against several Gogs. The Supermen and Gogs were pretty evenly match, but it was DD that really put the fight in the Supermen favor. Gog was just too much though, he just kept creating more of himself. He'll solo the DBZ verse.
EM posted the scan, it says it right before your face. The fight you're talking about (when their blows just shattered windows) is in the DOS comic, which was years back when Superman fought DD for the first time, that's not the scan EM posted. Even in the DOS comic though, both of them were very weaken and was fighting with the last of their strength, they weren't close to full strength at that point.
Also we've seen Supes take nukes without even noticing it, so him being hurt by a blast that has no know effects just means that the attack is strong enough to hurt Superman who's taken blasts and blows that any DBZ character could never match. Goku died by a planet being destroyed, Gohan was wounded by a small ki blasts (that wasn't a nuking blast), and Freeza was offed by a steel sword. Just because he survived a ki blasts from someone isn't all that impressive to me since DB/DBZ relys on which character has stronger ki anyways.
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wierd how like. all those superman look exactly the same, well in kingdom come gog didnt even hurt supes, in the name of gog, supes take son an army of gog, and gog got beta by supe sin the wrath of ggo !
Goku >>>> Gog !
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