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ESB -1138
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Square Enix even stated that Trance Kuja was like the second strongest villain in FF series and only Ultimatica (whoever you spell it) was stronger than Kuja.


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The game and many people in it said Kuja destroyed Terra. Because like you said: they're not going to put a random character in there and have him lie for no reason, thats stupid. and yet characters in FFIX have said Kuja destroyed Terra.

Game > You

And Sephiroth's TK or Will or whatever you feel like calling it was so great that he couldn't stop Omnislash...TWICE


See the things about you guys is you guys think that "destroyed" means "blow up", it was NEVER stated that Terra was "blown up" please learn the proper definition before you continue to make yourself look ignorant

Destroyed: To ruin; spoil; to render useless or ineffective

You can scratch a mirror until it becomes useless, and that could be stated as the mirror was destroyed, you can pour black paint over a painting, and say the painting is destroyed

Yes the character said Terra was destroyed, we saw Terra get destroyed, we saw Kuja ruin the surface, ruining the surface of a planet means being destroyed, the planet becomes useless and ineffective, theres no basis to claim the planet was blown up.

Sephiroth was toying around with Cloud, and Cloud caught him offguard with Omnislash, Omnislash happens in the blink of an eye Kuja's Ultima DOES NOT. Either way Cloud winning was a whole bunch of PIS, PIS wouldn't take place in a match against Sephiroth and Kuja.

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for the LAST time, kuja's ultima destroyed the ENTIRE planet with reletive ease. its stated in game, it can be seen after the cutscene, the party escapes terra through a dimensional rift, afterwards, NUTHING of terra remains, the planet is gone, garland is gone, the cycle of souls turning red and going to terra from gaea{all life force} is GONE!

not only that, ukuja also destroyed the crystal of creation with his power. and set up the multitudes of bosses including deathguise in memoria.

meteor would have WOUNDED the planet, nto destroyed it. that was the point, to wound life so the lifestream came guching out. and even though its been a LONG while since i played 7, but wasnt aerith's death half responsible for weakening holy?

with that said, kuja is quite easily stronger than sephiroth and would kill him.

Read above, Holy easily could've done the same thing to Terra, ruining all those stick buildings, and killing life.

What does Meteor have to do with this? Anyway, it would great a huge wound in the planet yes, but it would annihilate almost the entire population, you guys think that if Meteor hit, theres just going to be a hole in the planet and thats all, but thats not the case when a meteor hits, theres a huge aftermath, this is what it would be like if a meteor hit the planet




No Holy was never weakened, it just had trouble stopping Meteor because Sephiroth held it for so long, but once he was gone it shot out, and stopped meteor but it was too late because meteor was already too close to the planet, so it needed help from the lifestream to disintegrate it faster before it hit.

But anyway, if Sephiroth was able to stop Holy, he would stop Kuja before Kuja even shot his first Ultima blast.

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Square Enix even stated that Trance Kuja was like the second strongest villain in FF series and only Ultimatica (whoever you spell it) was stronger than Kuja.

Stop lying, no they didnt.

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See the things about you guys is you guys think that "destroyed" means "blow up", it was NEVER stated that Terra was "blown up" please learn the proper definition before you continue to make yourself look ignorant

Destroyed: To ruin; spoil; to render useless or ineffective

You can scratch a mirror until it becomes useless, and that could be stated as the mirror was destroyed, you can pour black paint over a painting, and say the painting is destroyed

Yes the character said Terra was destroyed, we saw Terra get destroyed, we saw Kuja ruin the surface, ruining the surface of a planet means being destroyed, the planet becomes useless and ineffective, theres no basis to claim the planet was blown up.


Yeah; you're right. Your word is higher then the game. That's right; despite the game itself telling you that Kuja destroyed an entire planet by himself; what they actually meant was to pour some paint on it. I love how you leave out the def. that actually has importance:

put out of existence by severe damage or attack

And your word is not higher then: http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/destroy?view=uk

So again you fail. Kuja destroyed (put out of existence by severe damager or attack in the form of Ultima) a planet. Sephiroth has never even shown to come close to doing anything like this.

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Sephiroth was toying around with Cloud, and Cloud caught him offguard with Omnislash, Omnislash happens in the blink of an eye Kuja's Ultima DOES NOT. Either way Cloud winning was a whole bunch of PIS, PIS wouldn't take place in a match against Sephiroth and Kuja.


And yet when push comes to shove Sephiroth was powerless to do anything.

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What does Meteor have to do with this? Anyway, it would great a huge wound in the planet yes, but it would annihilate almost the entire population, you guys think that if Meteor hit, theres just going to be a hole in the planet and thats all, but thats not the case when a meteor hits, theres a huge aftermath, this is what it would be like if a meteor hit the planet




No Holy was never weakened, it just had trouble stopping Meteor because Sephiroth held it for so long, but once he was gone it shot out, and stopped meteor but it was too late because meteor was already too close to the planet, so it needed help from the lifestream to disintegrate it faster before it hit.


The metoer in your little video is the size of a freakin' country. The one in the game was only the size of Midgar. That wouldn't have happened.


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Yeah; you're right. Your word is higher then the game. That's right; despite the game itself telling you that Kuja destroyed an entire planet by himself; what they actually meant was to pour some paint on it. I love how you leave out the def. that actually has importance:

put out of existence by severe damage or attack

And your word is not higher then: http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/destroy?view=uk

So again you fail. Kuja destroyed (put out of existence by severe damager or attack in the form of Ultima) a planet. Sephiroth has never even shown to come close to doing anything like this.

... it COULD mean erase out of existence, or it could just mean it was ruined, i've givin you legit examples of "destroyed", there are different definitions but destroyed basically means

To ruin ; spoil
To render ineffective or useless; nullify; neutralize; invalidate.
To subdue or defeat completely
To do away with; to kill

You can take away someones meaning of life, and they could say their entire life was destroyed, you don't literally have to blow up the person

As long as the object; thing, is rendered to a useless form, that is destroyed.

So going by the definition of "destroyed" either these 2 scenarios either happened:

1) Kuja completely ruined the surface, and reduced the planet into a useless form

2) He blew up the planet

Now we actually see scenario 1 happen; however, we DO NOT see scenario 2 happen so there is no basis to claim that he "blew up the planet".

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And yet when push comes to shove Sephiroth was powerless to do anything.

The thing is, there was no such "push comes to shove" in their battle, it was Sephiroth playing around and dominating and dominating, then a blink of an eye later he was dead.

With the help of PIS, Omnislash caught him off guard.


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The metoer in your little video is the size of a freakin' country. The one in the game was only the size of Midgar. That wouldn't have happened.


Not exactly

Youtube Meteor
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FF7 Meteor
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The FF7 Meteor might be somewhat smaller but that youtube meteor, eradicated the entire planet, the FF7 would leave a very small population of the planet left.

The meteor was bigger then Midgar, even Nanaki said "Forget Midgar, we've gotta worry about the Planet"

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^terra was aeons ahead of gaia. the planet was consisted of crystal of WHICH the towers were contrsucted, look at the video the ground is ALSO an inferno when kuja unleashes ultima, and later, where the two planets were shown coming together, consistantly, only one planet is shown left. every1 agrees that kuja destroyed the planet, why is is so friggin hard for you to beleive that,m considering that his ultima even destroyed the crystal of origin, which was the be all of the entire universe????????????????????????????/// why is it that the dimensional breach to terra doesnt exist anymore if only the TOWERS were destroyed??????


and yes, it does come to that. sephiroth CUDNT stop omnislash and he cudnt SURVIVE omnislash. his facial expression tells enough that he wasnt ALLOWING cloud to do anything. his main purpose was not to torture cloud, but to defeat whoever stood in his path and take over the planet and use it as a vessel.

please, dont let being a fan cloud ur eyes. sephirtoh has lost twice to cloud.

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Kuja destroyed a planet.
Sephiroth never did.
All there is to it.


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It would end up as a fight between Sephiroth and Kuja.

I would take Sephiroth at the end.


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Kuja and Kefka win. Real question is: How fast?


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Square Enix even stated that Trance Kuja was like the second strongest villain in FF series and only Ultimatica (whoever you spell it) was stronger than Kuja.

where?


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Yeah I would actually like to see where that is stated as well.


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I seriously doubt that it is stated officially. It was probably a fan-made list.


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It would make sense.

Ultimecia is the undisputed strongest FF character, with Sephiroth and Kuja behind, but which one of them is stronger is debatable IMO.


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^no necron is. and kuja is much stronger than sephiroth, without a doubt.

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No he is not.

Ultimecia was absorbing all of time and space, all that existed.


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and necron was destroying all existance itself.

yes he most definately is.

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Ultimecia was absorbing it all and adding it to her power.

So he has NEcron's feat, with the added benefit of being able to get even stronger by doing it.

Yay.


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AC Sephiroth > Trance Kuja imo.

And that statement is make-belief, it doesn't exist.

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I don't really see how either are MUCH stronger than either.

Kuja is more powerful and more durable, with great magical powers.

Sephiroth is stronger and faster, and has great powers with his sword.


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We don't know the levels of Sephiroths durability so we can't really say Kuja's durability is greater.

But Sephiroth does have the physical power/speed advantage and his willpower/TK with the NL would put him above Kuja, since his willpower was great enough to even stop Holy.

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We don't know the levels of Sephiroths durability so we can't really say Kuja's durability is greater.

But Sephiroth does have the physical power/speed advantage and his willpower/TK with the NL would put him above Kuja, since his willpower was great enough to even stop Holy.
Yeah, we can, since Sephiroth doesn't have a single durability feat that even comes remotely close to BASE Kuja's level. And we know it is not enough to take Omnislash, either version.


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